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  1. 01-04-2007, 03:22 #1
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    Default All Japan Ju-Jitsu International Federation

    I just have to ask. The first line of the Wikipedia article says

    The All Japan Ju-Jitsu International Federation (abbreviated to AJJIF) is a Governing Body and International Headquarters of Traditional and Combat Jujutsu in the World.

    How true is this and how much is fantasy. The article sure reads like hyperbole and the website is down right painful.

    Depending on the response here I may just re-write the lead paragraph a bit or one of you guys could do it. I put some comments on the talk page.

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  2. 01-04-2007, 03:34 #2
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    Peter --- Put on a crash helmet 'cause here it comes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koshu
    Peter --- Put on a crash helmet 'cause here it comes!
    Oh boy - that bad huh?
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  4. 01-04-2007, 05:59 #4
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    From the AJJIF website:

    AJJIF elite club unite & recognise most famous Ju-Jitsu masters around the world... today 199 masters AJJIF unite:

    30 masters Judan - 10th Degree Black Belts
    7 Kudan - 9th Degree Black Belts
    13 Hachidan - 8th Degree Black Belts
    14 Shichidan - 7th Degree Black Belts
    11 Rokudan - 6th Degree Black Belts
    14 Godan - 5th Degree Black Belts
    14 Yodan - 4th Degree Black Belts
    27 Sandan - 3rd Degree Black Belts
    24 Nidan - 2nd Degree Black Belts
    45 Shodan - 1st Degree Black Belts
    30 Judan masters
    Go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Rehse
    Oh boy - that bad huh?
    Yeah, Alexy Kunin is in a category all his own.
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    The more, the better! I would like to see them all make a tattoo on their foreheads "I am a Soke, Judan, Supreme Deity of 7th Buddha's Heaven!!!"
    Dan ranking system is so corrupted that it deserves to be banned for good. Or preserved only in Kodokan, as this is the one and only institution that should really have the right to issue Dan grades - since they invented it!

    AJJFI is a joke. Laugh. Or cry, whatever... Aside from koryu schools, all other jujutsu schools that are "gendai" by their nature, founding origin and training methods - should be fair enough NOT to issue Dan grades. I am a member of few such organizations (national and international), I reached 6th Dan from rather respectable association, but now I am rejecting all these Dan grades, or simply not mentioning them - not bcause i am ashamed of them, but becaues my son said: "Daddy, you are practicing 30 years, and you have "only" 6th Dan - look at this uncle, he is 10 years younger than you and holds 14th Dan Ninjutsu! You must be very stupid, huh?"...

    In Serbian language word "DAN" means "day". So, when they ask me "Which DAN you have?", it also sounds as "On which day you have it?" And nowadays I answer "I have it every day!"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webmaster
    Yeah, Alexy Kunin is in a category all his own.
    Peter --- If you do a search for Kunin here and using other online sources, you'll have plenty to digest (most of it will make you somewhat queasy).

    Locals who've tried to search him out when he was on the Westside of L.A. found him strangely MIA (the dojo moved); and when they dug deeper, concluded that his credentials didn't quite add up.
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    The game is afoot:


    Nippon Satokan Budo Renmei
    Soke Kimitoshi Sato
    10 Dan Ju-Jitsu

    President of the Satoryu Jujutsu,


    Nippon Satokan Budo Renmei,

    International Jujutsu Federation, Hombu Dojo



    Retrieved from: http://www.ajjif.org/AJJIFrepresentative1.htm#34

    Anyone know where they are??
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    Hi,

    Not Alexey Kunin again and his thousand year old Katabami Clan jujutsu taught by his mysterious teacher Kano Tenamura.

    Russ, to answer your question, Glendale, California

    Simply because we use the Katabami mon and the similarity of the names, Tenamura and Takamura, we are ocassionally approached by the ignorant public concerning Mr Kunin teaching Shindo Yoshin ryu.

    YIKES!

    There was no Katabami Clan....There was no codified jujutsu school 1000 years ago....And I suspect there was no Kano Tenamura. Oh......And Kunin is now claiming to teach Daito ryu too!

    Smoke and mirrors parading as koryu.....again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Threadgill
    .....And Kunin is now claiming to teach Daito ryu too!
    Apparently he has hooked up with John Denora now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Threadgill

    Russ, to answer your question, Glendale, California
    Geez....this is confusing. The website lists the entry under "Japan representative" and part of their worldwide connection. So there is a Kimitoshi Sato and a Sato ryu in Glendale listed as their Japan representative?? I do beleive that is intentionally misleading.

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    Sato Shizuya, who formed Nihon Jujutsu is one of the department heads for the IMAF. AFAIK, he's an 8th dan in Kodokan judo, as well as head of his own style, based on Kodokan Goshinjutsu, the Kime No Kata and other bits n' pieces.

    Nicklaus Suino studied under him as well I believe.

    Nihon Jujutsu being performed at Ota-ku for the IMAF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunyo Kogusoku
    Sato Shizuya, who formed Nihon Jujutsu is one of the department heads for the IMAF. AFAIK, he's an 8th dan in Kodokan judo, as well as head of his own style, based on Kodokan Goshinjutsu, the Kime No Kata and other bits n' pieces.

    Nicklaus Suino studied under him as well I believe.

    Nihon Jujutsu being performed at Ota-ku for the IMAF

    Nihon Jujutsu being performed at Ota-ku for the IMAF

    Nicklaus Suino doing Nihon Jujutsu

    Nicklaus Suino doing Nihon Jujutsu
    I recognized the sequence of techniques in the last two links. Once a year our club attends a French training week where Nihon Tai-jitsu and Nihon Ju-jitsu is taught by Roland Hernaez (a student of the late Minoru Mochizuki). I must say that the French yudansha perform those techniques a lot better than the person in the vdeos.
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    Hiya Russ,

    i misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted to know where the headquaters of the All Japan Jujitsu international Federation (AJJIF) was.

    That's our boy, "President and Grandmaster" Alexey Kunin

    Kimitoshi Sato ???? Hummm......Google it. Who do you suppose shows up?

    Alexey Kunin and an organization called the IFMA

    Google Sato and IMAF and up comes Shizuya Sato.

    IMAF...IFMA...Sato...jujutsu...Just coincidence or intentional confusion? You decide.

    My guess is theres no such person as Kimitoshi Sato or Kano Tenamura.
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    http://www.ajjif.org/AJJIFblackbelts.htm

    Huh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Threadgill
    IMAF...IFMA...Sato...jujutsu...Just coincidence or intentional confusion? You decide.

    My guess is theres no such person as Kimitoshi Sato or Kano Tenamura.
    Yep, as someone stated above, smoke and mirrors pretending to be koryu.
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