judo advice

**nismophreek** · 03-24-2007, 06:23

Hey, I have a question for all you judo players on here. I do BJJ (amongst other arts), but I am always searching for more techniques to add to my game. I would really love to learn more throws from Judo. Here is the problem, there are no judo schools around here. Is there anything that I could do on my own to pick up on how to do these throws. I would have willing uki at the school i just don't have an information source for these throws. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and have a great weekend.

**wildwills** · 03-24-2007, 07:44

I know what you mean. I had trouble finding a Judo club to train at. I tried the phone book and the web but didn't find anything at first.

I eventually found a club at a YMCA by emailing the USJA and USJF. The USJA was able to point me towards YMCA Judo club I currently train at.

You can find the links for the USJA and USJF by going to www.judoinfo.com and going to their "Links" page.

Hope that helps and good luck.

**Abbax8** · 03-24-2007, 09:43

There are video tapes of throws but learning from video is third rate at best. The safety factor can be huge (uke's as well as tori's).I know there are summer camps held Virginia, there are clinics in soutern Maryland and camps in North Carolina. One week at camp would equal 100's of hours of video. The USJA webite as well as the tournament trhead here will provide you a good place to start, look under judo, it's at the top as it's a sticky.

Peace

Dennis

**Jeff C.** · 03-24-2007, 17:10

Chris, surely your BJJ instructor knows a number of "judo" throws?

Jeff Cook

**nismophreek** · 03-24-2007, 21:06

our bjj curriculum has limited numbers of throws. I have discussed this with him. I want to learn more in depth judo throws not just the same stuff we cover. I'm always on a quest to learn more I guess.

**AndrewSimonsen** · 03-24-2007, 21:18

Are you near Chesapeake?

**Jeff C.** · 03-24-2007, 21:55

Originally Posted by nismophreek

our bjj curriculum has limited numbers of throws. I have discussed this with him. I want to learn more in depth judo throws not just the same stuff we cover. I'm always on a quest to learn more I guess.

Good luck Chris. I wish I could help you out.

Jeff Cook

**Webmaster** · 03-24-2007, 22:11

Chris:

First, learning the throws by means of a video tape or website is nonsense. You need to learn them first hand with a qualified instructor. Of course you know this, but I want to reiterate it for the benefit of others, and to emphasize the safety factor. Contacting the USJA would probably be your best bet, but also be sure to look at the USJF and USJI.

Second, why do you want to learn Judo throws? Are you planning on competing in Judo? If not, then what is the point? BJJ, unlike Judo does not reward a person (with points or victory) based on throws, but by submission. Judo's emphasis on throws is because the rules are such that you can win the match instantly by execution of a good throw. Not so with BJJ. If you are wanting to help your BJJ game, it would seem to me that wrestling type takedowns would be preferable.

**Jeff C.** · 03-24-2007, 22:22

Robert, there are some excellent reasons for BJJ folks to learn judo skills.

1. You get two points for a take-down. Many BJJr's are quite vulnerable to many classic judo throws.

2. When you learn the throws, you learn how to avoid the throws. You also learn how to capitalize on the throw by positioning yourself while being thrown so as to lock in a submission at the end of the throw. I have been working with a top-notch BJJ competitor on this, and it is working great for his fight game.

3. If a BJJr wants to practice BJJ as it was originally taught, they will be doing a lot more judo-style throws than what is seen in a lot of current BJJ schools. Pick up any "story of the Gracies" book and you will see the old men practicing throws such as harai goshi, hane goshi, uchimata, tai otoshi, etc.

Jeff Cook

**starkjudo** · 03-24-2007, 22:35

I can think of one more reason to learn judo throws..

3. You get addicted to how wonderful Judo really is

**nismophreek** · 03-24-2007, 22:50

I want to learn Judo throws not for the sake of making me a better BJJ player but to make me a more well rounded martial artist period. Our school is based a lot on the competitive BJJ/MMA type training. I'm not knocking that, I just view myself as a martial ARTIST not just a fighter. That view is hard to get across to some of my fellow students. I value the entire martial arts experience, not just how fast I can knockout or submit someone.

Also. I did find a judo school in Charlottesville which is about an hour from here. I may see if he could do a private here and there. http://www.ssjjudo.com/

**Webmaster** · 03-24-2007, 23:04

Originally Posted by Jeff C.

1. You get two points for a take-down.

I didn't know this. Thanks for the insight. You still cannot win the match outright with a throw, and thus the deemphasis on throwing. Maybe the rules need to be modified to reemphasis throwing as was the case with the original Gracie Jujitsu. Then again, that would just mean they are doing Judo.

**Webmaster** · 03-24-2007, 23:05

Originally Posted by nismophreek

I want to learn Judo throws not for the sake of making me a better BJJ player but to make me a more well rounded martial artist period. Our school is based a lot on the competitive BJJ/MMA type training. I'm not knocking that, I just view myself as a martial ARTIST not just a fighter. That view is hard to get across to some of my fellow students. I value the entire martial arts experience, not just how fast I can knockout or submit someone.

Also. I did find a judo school in Charlottesville which is about an hour from here. I may see if he could do a private here and there. http://www.ssjjudo.com/

Good answer and glad to see that you are willing to expand your knowledge for all of the right reasons!

Good luck with your training. Who knows, maybe you will get hooked on Judo now!

**starkjudo** · 03-25-2007, 01:03

Akari Judo in Richmond might be able to help you.

**Jeff C.** · 03-25-2007, 07:06

Robert, I like to think that when I do BJJ I AM doing judo.

Chris, that is a great attitude to have!

Jeff Cook

**Webmaster** · 03-25-2007, 08:13

Originally Posted by Jeff C.

Robert, I like to think that when I do BJJ I AM doing judo.

Except that your judogi has more patches and decorations than what the NASCAR guys wear. Got cha!

**nismophreek** · 03-25-2007, 09:28

*clears throat* note avatar. The only thing on my dogi is one logo embroidered on each shoulder. I hate advertising gis.

**Webmaster** · 03-25-2007, 10:06

Originally Posted by nismophreek

*clears throat* note avatar. The only thing on my dogi is one logo embroidered on each shoulder. I hate advertising gis.

So you are one with a little taste.

I'm just teasing!

**nismophreek** · 03-25-2007, 10:15

I know you are just teasing. It cracks me up reading the badgering between the Judoka and BJJ guys about their gis. I really enjoy this forum. I had a rough experience in the beginning but I have learned to lighten up and take everything for what it is. Thank you everyone for being so accepting of me.

**TonyU** · 03-25-2007, 10:24

Originally Posted by nismophreek

I know you are just teasing. It cracks me up reading the badgering between the Judoka and BJJ guys about their gis. I really enjoy this forum. I had a rough experience in the beginning but I have learned to lighten up and take everything for what it is. Thank you everyone for being so accepting of me.

Many of us are just trying give the appropriate advice on things that we have seen through the years that fail or make a mockery of the arts. May of us here including the moderators have over 20 years of training and we take it seriously. Sometime we come across as harsh, but believe me not with malice.
And then there are time we're just having fun.

Good luck.

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