Media for some Kung Fu styles...?

**Sword-of-Krypton** · 11-20-2008, 23:41

Like my post in the Weapons forum, I wasn't sure if I should post this in the Media section , but since that seems more dedicated to specific reviews, I'll post this question here...

I'm looking for any books or DVDs that could help me learn the following styles:
Baguazheng
Southern Mantis
Northern Shaolin Longfist

Unfortunately there's no school in my area, so media is my only option for learning. I'm a beginner, but I learn fast, so the texts don't need to be solely for introduction to the arts.

**sean_stonehart** · 11-21-2008, 06:28

Originally Posted by Sword-of-Krypton

Like my post in the Weapons forum, I wasn't sure if I should post this in the Media section , but since that seems more dedicated to specific reviews, I'll post this question here...

I'm looking for any books or DVDs that could help me learn the following styles:
Baguazheng
Southern Mantis
Northern Shaolin Longfist

Unfortunately there's no school in my area, so media is my only option for learning. I'm a beginner, but I learn fast, so the texts don't need to be solely for introduction to the arts.

Well not really. I hate to rain on your parade, but no CMA is really understandable by anything other than a teacher. 2 of the ones you listed are some of the more intricate & internal arts out there.

The only one you "might" be able to pull off is Longfist & even that has all sorts of little nuances that if not shown properly, you won't "get" and may end up damaging yourself.

Where exactly is "wayne, usa"?

**Jeff Burger** · 11-21-2008, 06:46

Ditto what Sean wrote.

If you have had some training then you have a much better chance at getting something out of videos.

**TonyU** · 11-21-2008, 10:12

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

Where exactly is "wayne, usa"?

Well from a check of his IP address it appears he's near me. If so, I know of two kung fu schools you could check out. One I know nothing about. The other is a Hung Ga school. In the Hung Ga school I have not seen their weapon but know that their empty hand training is top notch.
http://yeeshungga.com/clifton/index.html
They might not be exactly what you're looking for but it may be a start.

Also our school does an extensive kobudo training. While not kung fu it is alot of fun.

**sean_stonehart** · 11-21-2008, 11:13

Originally Posted by TonyU

Well from a check of his IP address it appears he's near me. If so, I know of two kung fu schools you could check out. One I know nothing about. The other is a Hung Ga school. In the Hung Ga school I have not seen their weapon but know that their empty hand training is top notch.
http://yeeshungga.com/clifton/index.html
They might not be exactly what you're looking for but it may be a start.

Also our school does an extensive kobudo training. While not kung fu it is alot of fun.

Oh snap... if he's in that area, there's no excuse for not getting out.

Yee's Hung Ga is top notch...

There's also Ngo Cho Kune in the area, maybe not close but it's there.

What's the other one Tony that you're not familiar with?

**TonyU** · 11-21-2008, 11:26

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

What's the other one Tony that you're not familiar with?

It's a school in two towns over in Paterson. I've driven by it several times but it doesn't say what it is and I haven't had the time to check it out. One day I'll see what it is. When I do, I'll do some research and also ask you about it.

**sean_stonehart** · 11-21-2008, 13:36

Originally Posted by TonyU

It's a school in two towns over in Paterson. I've driven by it several times but it doesn't say what it is and I haven't had the time to check it out. One day I'll see what it is. When I do, I'll do some research and also ask you about it.

Yeah let me know.

**uchi_deshi** · 11-21-2008, 14:22

i can agree with if you have no back ground in MA it be some problems in learning...

maybe he does not want to learn hung gar being it was not in his list, but it will give him a base to work with. it will help to have a training partner to.

now there is a web site you can go to for the DVD's he wants and there very good...http://www.wle.com/ when the forum is back up again for them its a good place to ask Q and A...

they have some of the best stuff i found for chinese MA

**TonyU** · 11-21-2008, 14:34

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

Yeah let me know.

Found it. It's Fu Jow Pai.
A little search on the internet and they have a website. I know nothing of it. Never even heard of it.

http://www.usafujowpai.org/

**sean_stonehart** · 11-21-2008, 15:24

Ah ok... yeah, I'm familiar with the style. They're supposed to turn out some pretty good fighters. Paul Vizzio from back in the PKA days was from there.

**sean_stonehart** · 11-21-2008, 15:30

Originally Posted by uchi_deshi

i can agree with if you have no back ground in MA it be some problems in learning...

maybe he does not want to learn hung gar being it was not in his list, but it will give him a base to work with. it will help to have a training partner to.

now there is a web site you can go to for the DVD's he wants and there very good...http://www.wle.com/ when the forum is back up again for them its a good place to ask Q and A...

they have some of the best stuff i found for chinese MA

Not to be argumentative, but if he's a beginner as he states, seriously his only choice has to be a teacher. There's way too much to miss on just the very basic stances & techniques that any other method of learning just doesn't deal with. Not to mention that 2 of the styles in his "wish list" are highly specialized & require hands on training. One of them is decidedly not your run of the mill CMA & I believe IMHO that it can only be learned by face to face instruction.

I don't know where Emerson is in relation to Wayne, but this is a place he needs to look at for Northern Longfist if a serious desire is there. **edit -- just Google Mapped it - It shows 22 miles or 30 minutes. That's not bad at all.**

http://www.peterkwokskungfuacademy.c...in/shaolin.htm

Besides... the WLE DVD's while very good are "corrected" for recognition as a DVD based learning platform. Much better for reference opposed to raw learning.

**TonyU** · 11-21-2008, 17:04

Wow! I forgot about Peter Kwok. That school was at the location where the Fu Jow Pai is now. That was the only kung fu school I remember growing up. Then years later I used to spar with some of their students.

**sean_stonehart** · 11-22-2008, 07:40

Originally Posted by TonyU

Wow! I forgot about Peter Kwok. That school was at the location where the Fu Jow Pai is now. That was the only kung fu school I remember growing up. Then years later I used to spar with some of their students.

Cool... how'd they do?

Peter Kwok himself did a Jimmy Hoffa style disappearing act years ago but his students continue to teach what he did and might've added on a bit. I know he taught Hua Quan which is a pretty rare longfist system (ie not as common as say BSL or Hong Quan), although the PRC used it as one of the foundations for the PRC Chang Quan Wushu forms.

**TonyU** · 11-23-2008, 08:35

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

Cool... how'd they do?

Not bad. They had a pretty good sense of what would work and what wouldn't.

Peter Kwok himself did a Jimmy Hoffa style disappearing act years ago but his students continue to teach what he did and might've added on a bit. I know he taught Hua Quan which is a pretty rare longfist system (ie not as common as say BSL or Hong Quan), although the PRC used it as one of the foundations for the PRC Chang Quan Wushu forms.

I heard rumors about his disappearance. Actually I think that's why they moved the school to it's present location.
Btw, I also have a book Kwok wrote back in '76 titled Secret Health Teachings of the Shao-lin Priests.
Man you brought me back a ways.

**Tajiey** · 11-30-2008, 00:37

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

Well not really. I hate to rain on your parade, but no CMA is really understandable by anything other than a teacher. 2 of the ones you listed are some of the more intricate & internal arts out there.

The only one you "might" be able to pull off is Longfist & even that has all sorts of little nuances that if not shown properly, you won't "get" and may end up damaging yourself.

Where exactly is "wayne, usa"?

Sean is very correct in his observation. No Wusu book that I have seen yet shows the transitional movements between the pictures. Even with the book you need a teacher that is well versed in the particular style to have any type of success in learning. Chinese martial arts has what my teacher likes to call "flavor", this cannot be taught by a book.

Thanks

Tajiey