Application of Hyungs...

[Spookey]

Dear All,

I have been away from the forum for a while now and was reading through some old posts. Several I came across were concerning application of certain movements.

Won-Hyo #2 &#3
Won-Hyo #19 and adjacent sequence

Let's get some technical discussion going, leave the politics to those in suits and put on our virtual doboks! Fire up a few good technical threads and see if we cant stimulate some thought concerning Taekwondo as a martial art, not the hottest topic for political debate!

Back to Won-Hyo...

I have trained with "standard" martial artists, Special Forces, and a few historic figures...

1. The standard explanation seems to be Twin Forearm Blocking two simultaneous attacks, grabbing one attacker and pulling them into a knifehand (#2) and side punching as a secondary attack (#3)

2. The complex super violent explanation is blocking into the attack (#1), hair grab, and knifehand head twist (#2), twist the opposite direction with the retracting hand pulling the chin towards you, while the "punch" snaps the rear of the head away from you.

3. Bunkai as explained by Zenpo Shimabukuro (Seibukan Shorin-ryu) referencing the same sequence in a Hei-an Kata..."Most people strike one hand then the other" the twin forearm block is using the outer forearm to block the initial attack, the hand held high is in a preparatory position (#1) to execute an inward knifehand block (#2) against the second hand (two blocks), then the side punch is the counter attack (#3) - following the defensive motto of two blocks one attack!

Tae-Kwon
M. Bateman

[TonyU]

I hate to be picky but, in Shorin Ryu or Okinawan Karare they are called Pinan not Heian.
On that note could you post some video as reference and then maybe I can assist.

[Spookey]

Dear Sir,

Without regard to Pinan or Hei-an, the motions as executed in the opening sequence of pinan nidan are much reflected in Taekwondo hyung, Won Hyo. There are also other like sequences. That being said I would trust the bunkai of the older Kata to be generally the same application as the same sequence in a newer pattern set!

Forgive me for giving the Japanese as opposed to Okinawan name, after all I am a student of the Korean Arts, who was fortunate enough to be invited to the USA seminar of Shimabukuro Sensei!

TAEKWON!

[TonyU]

Ok, after looking at a video of Won-Hyo on Youtube I can see where there is some confusion. The Japanese switched the order of the kata. Your form is actually a version of Pinan Shodan (1). In Japanese karate, like Shotokan, it is Heian Nidan (2).
Would the following video be a close representation of what you're talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBI24kQO4NY&feature=fvw

If so, I don't think I can help you as our opening sequences are done with closed fists. Our kata, as most Pinan variations, are quite different.

I think you're doing the right thing, though by looking at the Okinawa roots for your applications. Good luck.