Yagyu Seigo Ryu (part I) at Shiratorisho, October 17th, 2010.

[Mekugi]

[drivica]

Interesting style..... Mix of MJER, Sekiguchi Ryu and Yagyu kata... This is the first time i see it. Thanks for posting.

Hehehe, a side note: is that a PIANO in the corner?!! Me being both an amatheur "kenjustu-ka" and "pianist", I could hardly hesitate sitting by the pianno and playing some jazz ))

[Josh Reyer]

Interesting style..... Mix of MJER, Sekiguchi Ryu and Yagyu kata... This is the first time i see it. Thanks for posting.

The mix of MJER, Sekiguchi-ryu, and Yagyu Seigo-ryu would be Kashima Kiyotaka's lineage, who demonstrate under the name "Shinkage-ryu Iaijutsu".

This clip is the practice done by the Yagyu-kai, called Yagyu Seigo-ryu. It is the iai curriculum of Seigo-ryu Jujutsu reinterpreted through Yagyu Shinkage-ryu principles.

[Mekugi]

Methinks "reconstructed" might be the best word. That lineage was long dead, documents were "found" and the school put back together. Unless Mr. Y. Gencho re-invented the wheel and had no outside influences when re-constructing the school, (with all due respect) he had to learn Iai from somewhere....or take inspiration from something.

[Josh Reyer]

Methinks "reconstructed" might be the best word. That lineage was long dead, documents were "found" and the school put back together. Unless Mr. Y. Gencho re-invented the wheel and had no outside influences when re-constructing the school, (with all due respect) he had to learn Iai from somewhere....or take inspiration from something.

"Reconstructed" is a fine word, though I'm not sure why you put "found" in scare quotes. However, the lineage was hardly "long dead". Nagaoka Fusashige-sensei died when Yagyu Toshichika was four years old. When Toshinaga (Gencho) came up, it was no longer surviving as a whole, but many of his teachers and sempai knew parts of it. He himself learned some of the jujutsu and the kappo methods. The reconstruction was not from scratch based purely on long-lost records, but was essentially a reconsolidation of things that were passed down in the Yagyu Dojo, reformed as a purely batto ryu. Not really sure what you mean by "reinventing the wheel", either. It's sword drawing. Anybody can draw a sword and resheathe it. It doesn't take much for a menkyo kaiden in a kenjutsu art to do it in accordance with the principles of that ryu, particularly when his father was an Edo-era bushi, and he has a handy, detailed kudensho.

More to the point, I was making a clarification of Driivca's information. Shinkage-ryu Iai, Kashima Kiyotaka's line, is a combination of mostly Yagyu Seigo-ryu, some Sekiguchi-ryu, some Rikishin-ryu, and others that were practiced by various people in the Yagyu Dojo. However, the above clip is of the Yagyu-kai's Yagyu Seigo-ryu, which is distinct from Kashima's line in that it doesn't have the other kata -- it is purely Toshinaga's reconstruction of the Seigo-ryu battojutsu. See this E-Budo post.

[Mekugi]

"Reconstructed" is a fine word, though I'm not sure why you put "found" in scare quotes. However, the lineage was hardly "long dead". Nagaoka Fusashige-sensei died when Yagyu Toshichika was four years old. When Toshinaga (Gencho) came up, it was no longer surviving as a whole, but many of his teachers and sempai knew parts of it. He himself learned some of the jujutsu and the kappo methods. The reconstruction was not from scratch based purely on long-lost records, but was essentially a reconsolidation of things that were passed down in the Yagyu Dojo, reformed as a purely batto ryu. Not really sure what you mean by "reinventing the wheel", either. It's sword drawing. Anybody can draw a sword and resheathe it. It doesn't take much for a menkyo kaiden in a kenjutsu art to do it in accordance with the principles of that ryu, particularly when his father was an Edo-era bushi, and he has a handy, detailed kudensho.

More to the point, I was making a clarification of Driivca's information. Shinkage-ryu Iai, Kashima Kiyotaka's line, is a combination of mostly Yagyu Seigo-ryu, some Sekiguchi-ryu, some Rikishin-ryu, and others that were practiced by various people in the Yagyu Dojo. However, the above clip is of the Yagyu-kai's Yagyu Seigo-ryu, which is distinct from Kashima's line in that it doesn't have the other kata -- it is purely Toshinaga's reconstruction of the Seigo-ryu battojutsu. See this E-Budo post.

Yeah I know the story. Seen that E-Budo post ages ago, thanks though, been there. Oh yeah, I've met Oyama. I would, if I were you, be a little skeptical of some of that info. Thanks for playing.

The thing is:
This line was dead, as in not being practiced. He reconstructed it. He did not learn it, receive a license in it, then added things to it. He necromanced the damn school.

As for "drawing the sword is easy for a menkyo in Kenjutsu" that is flat out rubbish my man.

I can easily show you how wrong that assumption is, and you don't have to be a menkyo in kenjutsu.

I take it you have not studied sword for no more than what, 7 years? That would be my first guess to that type of statement.

You can sugar coat it any way you want, but it's still what it is.