Striking: unbalancing and throwing....

[Steve1]

I have to agree with Rasputin, a strike before a throw or a lock should be done. It sets him up for whatever technique you might apply. I'm a police officer and I use jujitsu techniques all the time. If I have a resisting suspect, it may be hard, especially if he's stronger than me, to get a technique in unless I hit him first. However, I have found that sweeps, to take the suspect to the ground, are good also if I don't use the hit. I have also found that if I use a technique on a suspect and he's stronger than me and he powers out of it, I go the direction that he wants to go and lock him up with a lock. I just blend with the suspect and let him decide how I'm going to lock or throw him to his demise. But, I prefer the hit first, then the throw or lock or both.

[TonyU]

I've come to the conclusion that advance karate has a unique principle of hitting your opponent on the way down as well as striking with the throw. This makes it devastating and it also multiplies the impact.

[Steve1]

I agree to an extent. Lets say that you have a suspect that's high on PCP or some other drug that causes him to feel no pain and has an extreme amount of strength. Hitting him repeatedly is not going to bring him down. Case in point: I had a suspect that was about 5"1" tall and weighed 135 lbs. I'm 6'0" and weigh in around 240 lbs. I hit him repeatedly with my PR24 and broke 50% of the man bones in his body. He would not stop. I got him in a blood choke and made him pass out. So Hitting doesn't always work. With the exception of jujitsu I study wing chun, and always ultimately I fall back on jujitsu. Hitting does work to an extent, but not always. I use hitting mainly as a distraction to do what I want to the suspect, and then it all depends on what the situation is as to whether I hit or not. I'm not trying to take anything away from hitting because it does have its merits.

[TonyU]

I'm not saying it's an absolute. Like anything else in martial arts and in self defense, striking is only one facet of an overall formula.

[Steve1]

I agree! It all depends on the situation that you encounter as to which weapons that we bring to bear in a fight whether it's a stand up game or a gound game.

[Mekugi]

All things considered, striking doesn't have to be about pain or damage. It can be an integral part of kuzushi as force and momentum translates into force and momentum. Even through someone may be under the influence and seemingly immune to pain, whipping their head back or striking the body with enough force can redirect them entirely, just as a body tackle will take them down. Case in point, Yagyu Shingan Ryu.... starts at about 1 minute in....http://youtu.be/KmgL7yktXCs

These are entirely strike based throws.

[Mekugi]

In some of these the teki is hopping away, so grain of salt.... http://youtu.be/0OFLdAQTdbE