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    The Trayvon Martin case is a national disaster. The case needs to be tried in a Court of Law and whatever the evidence finds, Justice Not Revenge should prevail.

    Since much talk is about young black men being murdered, here are some articles that should be read. The social structure of all families has been destroyed since the 1960's. What is going on with the murder rate, suicide rate, drug abuse, etc. is all directly caused by a loss of the family structure, among all races. The black population has been hardest hit, even black preachers are shouting to get this message out. This is NOT a white vs. black vs. brown vs. red problem. It is a human problem. Kids need a mom and a dad. Society NEEDS a Mom and a Dad working their butts off to raise the next generation.

    http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/news_ar...ime-rate-rises

    http://thyblackman.com/2011/07/08/bl...crime-outrage/

    http://www.hhscenter.org/bonbstat.html

    The following article addresses a variety of topics

    http://www.blackloveandmarriage.com/...-attention-to/

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    That ZSU23-4 is a quad .50. Very effective against soft and medium ground targets, like, say, an oncoming riot.

    The US has had a 20 mm Vulcan mounted on an M113 since the 1960s. Similarly useful against air and ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    That ZSU23-4 is a quad .50. Very effective against soft and medium ground targets, like, say, an oncoming riot.
    Why do you think I would have one if a riot started. Safe behind steel and some nice shooting later and people will figure out it is not a safe place to be after you drive over corpses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbax8 View Post
    Since much talk is about young black men being murdered, here are some articles that should be read. The social structure of all families has been destroyed since the 1960's. What is going on with the murder rate, suicide rate, drug abuse, etc. is all directly caused by a loss of the family structure, among all races. The black population has been hardest hit, even black preachers are shouting to get this message out. This is NOT a white vs. black vs. brown vs. red problem. It is a human problem. Kids need a mom and a dad. Society NEEDS a Mom and a Dad working their butts off to raise the next generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent memory View Post
    Why do you think I would have one if a riot started. Safe behind steel and some nice shooting later and people will figure out it is not a safe place to be after you drive over corpses.

    That reminds me, I am hungry. Time for food.
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    Zimmerman (I want to type Zimmerframe when I hear his name) has been charged according to BBC news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-17684429
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent memory View Post
    Zimmerman (I want to type Zimmerframe when I hear his name) has been charged according to BBC news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-17684429
    Yes, 2nd degree murder. Absent political pressure, I believe the charges would have been manslaughter - negligence leading to the death of Martin.

    BTW, the New Black Panther Party has a "Wanted, Dead or Alive" poster on Zimmerman. I cannot believe that is lawful. I would love to see them be held accountable for this.

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    2nd degree murder is BS. It's a tactic to get him to plead down to manslaughter. Based on what we know, there is enough doubt as to the circumstances that would justify a murder charge and that doubt could mean a hung jury or acquittal. So going for the plea is a quick and cheap way to settle the case. If they do go to trial and it doesn't come out with a guilty conviction, the city will burn. They know it and they cannot afford to take the chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webmaster View Post
    2nd degree murder is BS. It's a tactic to get him to plead down to manslaughter. Based on what we know, there is enough doubt as to the circumstances that would justify a murder charge and that doubt could mean a hung jury or acquittal. So going for the plea is a quick and cheap way to settle the case. If they do go to trial and it doesn't come out with a guilty conviction, the city will burn. They know it and they cannot afford to take the chance.
    Yep.

    On top of all that, the prosecutor is saying that public opinion played no role in her decision. I didn't see the video, just read the article, so I don't know if she said that last with a straight face or not.

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    Safe behind steel and some nice shooting later and people will figure out
    ...how to circle the one-man crewed tank which can't move very well, and drop a molotov down your hatch Anyway, way OT, sorry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by torbjork View Post
    ...how to circle the one-man crewed tank which can't move very well, and drop a molotov down your hatch Anyway, way OT, sorry...

    Never heard of rope?
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    Now isn't this special. Rapist and former professional boxer Mike Tyson weighs in on case. According to him, it is a disgrace that George Zimmerman hasn't been murdered:

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...221115400.html


    BTW, even Trayvon Martin's mother believes this is an accident: a situation that spun out of control. She does hold Zimmerman responsible for creating the situation, but she doesn't buy the idea that he was out to kill her son on that night.

    2nd degree murder charges are absurd and politically motivated. They will not stand if Zimmerman is given anything remotely resembling a fair trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Randall View Post
    2nd degree murder charges are absurd and politically motivated. They will not stand if Zimmerman is given anything remotely resembling a fair trial.
    Well, the prosecutor can dangle a plea bargain of manslaughter without any time charged and threaten to put Zimmerman in with the rest of the inmates until trial if he refuses.

    Worse things have been done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Roley View Post
    Well, the prosecutor can dangle a plea bargain of manslaughter without any time charged and threaten to put Zimmerman in with the rest of the inmates until trial if he refuses.

    Worse things have been done.
    Yes, I am worried about something like that.

    I think he was negligent as heck, but railroading him adds injustice over injustice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Randall View Post
    I think he was negligent as heck, but railroading him adds injustice over injustice.
    The mob must be appeased!

    The sooner we realize that this is the true law of our society, the better we are able to survive in the new reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Roley View Post
    The mob must be appeased!

    The sooner we realize that this is the true law of our society, the better we are able to survive in the new reality.
    Liberal law professor Alan Dershowitz rips the prosecutor for charging 2nd degree murder. It is irresponsible and unethical to overcharge in order to get a plea according to Mr. Dershowitz (and I hope to any law professor in this country). According to the professor, there is nothing in the affidavit to suggest even basic probable cause for murder charges. I agree.

    http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2...unethical.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Randall View Post
    According to the professor, there is nothing in the affidavit to suggest even basic probable cause for murder charges. I agree.
    That is only relevant if we were only dealing with the law, instead of what the mob wants.

    We live in the time of the death of the law and the rule of what the great mass of "Jersey Shore" watchers want to happen.
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    I saw that Jonathan. Alan Deshowitz is brilliant. I lovre his book. HATING WHITTIE.
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    Your totally right Robert. I watchered news conference. The politiacal ovetrtones mad me sick, for a person in her position.


    Quote Originally Posted by Webmaster View Post
    2nd degree murder is BS. It's a tactic to get him to plead down to manslaughter. Based on what we know, there is enough doubt as to the circumstances that would justify a murder charge and that doubt could mean a hung jury or acquittal. So going for the plea is a quick and cheap way to settle the case. If they do go to trial and it doesn't come out with a guilty conviction, the city will burn. They know it and they cannot afford to take the chance.
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    Well this nails it. They will NEVER convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder (assuming he get a fair trial) and if he stays tough and doesn't plea to a lesser charge, he'll walk.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...9#.T5F71tmfiF-



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