Vaccines and Autism

[Jonathan Randall]

If there is any truth to this article, than this is national scandal. Even if there is no correlation, I believe taking children away from their parents or banning them from school - unless they have taken scores of vaccinations - is a gross violation of parental rights.

http://lewrockwell.com/rep3/vaccines-and-autism.html

Based upon all I have heard/seen/read about public schools and idiotic "zero tolerance policies", total lack of wisdom, cheating scandals where the administrators were doing the cheating, forced vaccinations, political correctness, indoctrination, CPS abuses, etc., the more I am convinced that the further people can get their children away from the government, the better.

[Webmaster]

Total BS. Absolutely nothing proven scientifically.

[Jonathan Randall]

Total BS. Absolutely nothing proven scientifically.

Then we do need to find a reason for this astronomic increase in autism. I don't have any stake in believing its from vaccines. However, I had no idea it was increasing at such a massive scale.

[Webmaster]

Then we do need to find a reason for this astronomic increase in autism.

The reason is simple, it's called money.

Autism, while a definitely real condition has become the new ADHD. Remember when every kid that acted like a kid was diagnosed with ADHD and drugged? Same thing with autism to a certain extent. There are many degrees of autism, many of which function just fine, however have a kid that is lagging behind in some manner developmentally, and out comes the diagnosis of autism. People, parents especially need to just realize that sometimes their kid is a little slow in some manner and that's it. Instead, we find an "excuse" as to why a child is behind in order to make Mommy and Daddy feel better that it wasn't their fault. The only thing I am surprised about is that Big Pharma hasn't conjured up some drug to treat the condition (or maybe they already have), but it has given us a whole generation of children that are now "disabled" and eligible for government assistance.

[Abbax8]

As a father with four special needs kids, two definitely diagnosed as Autistic and as a person who worked 34 years with persons who were Mentally Ill or Mentally Retarded I can say for a fact that Autism is a different animal entirely than MR or MH. What causes Autism - I can't say for sure. But I can tell you I saw my perfectly normal, normal developing son change in less than a week from a talking, affectionate child to a non-verbal aggressive, touch resistant child. The intersting thing was when I inquired with different experts, they all said they had idea why it happened BUT were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN it was not the vaccines. That is not a statement any true scientist should make. If you don't know the cause, then that is all you actually say until the cause is known.

Supposedly the studies have shown no link between autism and vaccines. I'm supposed to believe this. I am also supposed to believe there is a link between Human activity and Global Warming. I call Bull$hit on both. Just as the truth about Global Warming is leaking out eventually the truth about Autism will. Doctors who chose to speak out against the crazy vaccine schedule have been blackballed, just as the anti-global warming scientists have.

Dennis

[Webmaster]

Supposedly the studies have shown no link between autism and vaccines. I'm supposed to believe this. I am also supposed to believe there is a link between Human activity and Global Warming. I call Bull$hit on both. Just as the truth about Global Warming is leaking out eventually the truth about Autism will. Doctors who chose to speak out against the crazy vaccine schedule have been blackballed, just as the anti-global warming scientists have.

The difference between this and Global Warming is that the dispute against global warming is coming from actual scientists with actual credentials in the field using actual science. In the case of the immunization/autism link, we have credentialed scientists using real science to demonstrate the lack of a link, and the opposition is coming from non-scientists using non-scientific observation and anecdotes.

Here is some interesting links on the topic:

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/se...accines-autism

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Con...ism/Index.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/che...other_nai.html

If for some reason they are able to find a link between immunizations and autism, you can be assured that I will be the first person in line to fight it and sharpen up the pitchforks for everyone else, but the evidence just is not there. I am also concerned how autism has been redefined to include many developmentally disabled children that would have been classified in some other manner. With regard to the insane schedule for immunizations with children, I am in partial agreement with you. They do hit these kids with lots of immunizations way too early. On the other side of the argument, I can only imagine the child mortality rate if immunizations were discontinued.

[Ramirez]

If there is any truth to this article, than this is national scandal. Even if there is no correlation, I believe taking children away from their parents or banning them from school - unless they have taken scores of vaccinations - is a gross violation of parental rights.

There is another issue here Jonathan, I think it is irresponsible not to bet your children vaccinated , but aside from that for vaccination programs to work a minimum portion of the population needs to be immunized. Not everyone produces an immune response, meaning even if you get the vaccine you may not be immune from say polio or mumps.

If say only 50% of the population had the polio vaccine that would mean the virus would have never been wiped out. This puts the entire population at risk.

[Ramirez]

the other stuff aside, I feel for you Dennis, as you know the godfather of my son, his daughter has autism, I've seen what it is like to raise autistic kids and you are one hell of a good man to do the job you are doing.

[Jonathan Randall]

There is another issue here Jonathan, I think it is irresponsible not to bet your children vaccinated , but aside from that for vaccination programs to work a minimum portion of the population needs to be immunized. Not everyone produces an immune response, meaning even if you get the vaccine you may not be immune from say polio or mumps.

If say only 50% of the population had the polio vaccine that would mean the virus would have never been wiped out. This puts the entire population at risk.

Good point. However, they are up to 30 vaccinations now. Aside from the big ones like polio, I think parents should have the right to opt-out.

I had a DPT vaccination almost kill me when I was a kid. My arm swelled up to twice its size and I was violently ill for some time. The doctors say it was the base and not the active portion of the vaccine itself that caused the problems.

This is anecdotal, but I got sicker in the years I had the flu shot than when I stopped.

[Abbax8]

I have zero problems with the polio vaccine, polio qualifies as a serious risk. But they want to immunize against diseases whose mortality rates are low. There is also the problem of timing. Europe and Japan vaccinate later than the USA unless they have changed their schedules. Also children who have received the Chicken Pox vaccine are now contracting shingles. The inherent risk in the vaccines, especially against what were considered normal childhood diseases, is often disregarded. Read the Hold Harmless release form the next time you are vaccinated. If they are so safe, why the concern. Because they are not perfect. I realize nothing is perfect, but do NOT demand I subject my child to a danger when they have already had a bad reaction. I was almost killed as a child when the E.R. administered a Tetanus shot, I went into anaphalaxis. I cannot take any tetanus shot, ever. That is what my doctor told me.

As far as the evidence, real scientist have in the past spoke up and as I said they were silenced.

Dennis

[Webmaster]

As far as the evidence, real scientist have in the past spoke up and as I said they were silenced.

Could you cite the reference please? Not being a jerk, but honestly have not seen any evidence to the contrary, and if it does exist, I'd love to read it.

[Tripitaka of AA]

just going on the Daily Mail website and doing a search on "Autism" brings up a whole load of stories going back over the last ten years or so. Put in "Autism MMR" and you get an equally baffling range of positive and negative stories including the 2009 story, US Courts ruling that there is no proven link...

The British doctor who claimed to have shown a link was eventually stripped of his licence by the General Medical Council. Here is a story about the other doctor involved, getting his ban overturned, in 2010. In court the judge said

‘There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports [Dr Wakefield’s] hypothesis that MMR vaccine and autism [or] enterocolitis are causally linked.’ Dr Helen Bedford, a senior lecturer at the UCL Institute of Child Health, added: ‘There has never been any sound evidence of a link. Indeed, there is a strong body of research showing no link. However, many parents who were anxious about the safety of the MMR vaccine decided not to have their children immunised.

[Abbax8]

Robert,

First, Sorry for the tone of my above post, this topic can get me riled up. Second, I know you're not being a jerk, that did not enter my mind.
Some background. As I said, I watched Ken change dramatically and could not get any answers or help form anyone. We were literally on our own. Stephen was born and he progressed normally as well. Compared to Ken, his behavior seemed normal, but slowly we noticed some problems, again around age 3.

My wife was away from home attending a Chiropractic Seminar to get her continuing ed. credits. She heard a talk there about the problems with vaccines. The speaker was listing the symptoms, the onset of them, etc. She said to herself, My God, that's my son. She purchased this book: http://www.wholehealthnow.com/books/...-violence.html

.The bibliography of the book is 25 pages with citations from articles from many journals. Some of the journals cited are Journal of Autism, Clinical Pediatrics, British Medical Journal, Journal of Speech Disorders, and many more. The back cover of the book has endorsements from Bernard Rimland, Ph. D., Harold Buttram, M.D. and Russell Jaffe, M.D. Ph. D.

The first chapter of the book makes it absolutely clear it is NOT an anti-vaccination book. It clearly states the need and benefit for vaccines against Polio, T.B. , Smallpox. In addition to this book there is clinical evidence on the effects of vaccines over multi-generations of pure bred dogs from veterinary science. Essentially, the dogs get dumber is what has been found. Veterinary science is where most human drug trials start, yet you never hear this evidence mentioned in the vaccine discussions today.

While she was away I was searching the internet for answers and for the first time saw the words Autism and Asperger's Syndrome. I went down the checklist. it described my sons. She came home and we compared notes. Then we went searching for help and again, where we lived there was no help or advice or anything

If you are interested, do a search. I know you are a grand father and am sure you want your grand child safe. I am not anti vaccine in my belief system. I just feel it is overdone today in an extreme way and I do not see the benefit. I also believe the risk of introducing so many pathogens into a young immune system is unwarranted. I am certain that eventually, the truth will come out and the whole process of immunization will be reworked. As it stands now, the mandate to have children vaccinated is actually more intrusive than the mandate to purchase health insurance that is proposed by our government because in the first instance you are required to actually insert a foreign substance into your child's body as opposed to merely spending your money on a product you may not want. The public has been sold on the benefits of vaccinations, even to the point of immunizing infants against S.T.D's. I think that says it all, but that's just me.

Dennis

[Webmaster]

Thanks Dennis, I'll look into the reference you provide, but I would prefer to see copies of the actual studies. I'll see if I can pull copies of them here locally. Since I work at a university, I may be able to.

I totally agree with you on the number of and frequency of vaccinations at such an early age. Many of the things they are vaccinating for, like Chickenpox, is not life-threatening and the immunity a child gains for catching the disease is more helpful than the injection at building immunity... and you're less likely to develop Shingles! I would like to see them develop a list of "absolutely must have" and a "recommended but not required" immunization list.

With regard to the dog breed example, I have to disagree with the assessment on that topic since Judy and I are involved in the purebred dog world. One of the issues they are having with purebred dogs in some breeds is the lack of genetic variety within a breed. Unfortunately you have a lot of backyard breeders who will breed dogs that are too close to each other genetically. In-breeding is a big problem and just like in humans you will get a variety of genetic defects to include retardation and diminished intelligence. So just like it is suppose to be against the law to marry your first-cousin or sibling (unless you are in Arkansas or a member of European royalty), we really wish that it was illegal in the dog world too. That is one of the reasons why if you buy a purebred dog, the breeder should be able to outline the heredity of the dog to show that no in-breeding took place. If they cannot, you should walk away.

Thanks again for the info!

[Rasputin]

I have read compelling research which points to Autism being linked to inflammation in the brain, which dovetails nicely with data that shows a linear correlation to latitude. Vitamin D is a potent anti-inflammatory hormone in the body, and most people except for those who live in the tropics and work outside all year long are deficient, but those in the higher latitudes are the most deficient, and those populations which are displaced to higher latitudes (like Indian populations in England, for example) also show higher incidence of Autism.

They have shown that children with Autism improve seasonally, as well as showing direct improvement with the amount of time they are exposed to play in the sunshine.

Vitamin D3, Magnesium, and Fish Oil are three anti-inflammatory nutrients which most people do not get enough of to meet their evolutionary needs, and most people (especially children who get a disproportionate number of their calories from school lunches) get more Omega-6 fats in their diet, which are pro-inflammatory. Grains (high in phytates, lectins, and n-6 fats) are also pro-inflammatory.

Eat whole foods. Eschew grains, vegetable oils and added sugar. Get lots of play time in the sunshine, and supplement with the above missing nutrients. Get plenty of restful sleep.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...w=1459&bih=702

[Webmaster]

Another interesting approach is the use of medical marijuana/cannabis in the treatment of autism. Just do a quick search on Google, and check out the results. Some of the info is pretty incredible.

[rainesr]

I have read compelling research which points to Autism being linked to inflammation in the brain, which dovetails nicely with data that shows a linear correlation to latitude. Vitamin D is a potent anti-inflammatory hormone in the body, and most people except for those who live in the tropics and work outside all year long are deficient, but those in the higher latitudes are the most deficient, and those populations which are displaced to higher latitudes (like Indian populations in England, for example) also show higher incidence of Autism.

They have shown that children with Autism improve seasonally, as well as showing direct improvement with the amount of time they are exposed to play in the sunshine.

Vitamin D3, Magnesium, and Fish Oil are three anti-inflammatory nutrients which most people do not get enough of to meet their evolutionary needs, and most people (especially children who get a disproportionate number of their calories from school lunches) get more Omega-6 fats in their diet, which are pro-inflammatory. Grains (high in phytates, lectins, and n-6 fats) are also pro-inflammatory.

Eat whole foods. Eschew grains, vegetable oils and added sugar. Get lots of play time in the sunshine, and supplement with the above missing nutrients. Get plenty of restful sleep.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=o...w=1459&bih=702

I will ask my brother in-law for the article but there is some research being done that shows a strong correlation between a mother's vitamin D levels (deficiency) during pregnancy and the child having autism as well as a vitamin D deficiency in the children themselves.

It is astonishing to me how little children go outside and actually do things these days.

~Rob

[Erik]

Article in the news this morning correlating the pregnant mother being obese and/or diabetic with an increased risk of autism.

[Rasputin]

It's hard to tease out the confounding cofactors in a correlative "study". Obese and diabetic people are more likely as a population to have high levels of inflammation, low levels of circulating D3 levels, and eat nutrient-poor diets. Chicken or egg?

[Abbax8]

If this is true there is going to be major $hit hitting the fan!

http://www.naturalnews.com/035787_va...m_monkeys.html

Dennis