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06-12-2012, 02:12 #1
Father Beats Man to Death After Catching Him Molesting his 4 Year Old Daughter
Unless this story contains gross inaccuracies, it is hard to fault the man. He hears his four year old screaming from inside a barn, runs inside, and catches a guest in the act of molesting the child. It appears the father killed the man in a fight to get him off his kid and not simply as retribution.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module
One thing it is a reminder of: even if you have firearms -- and I would be astonished if this father doesn't own any -- chances are good you may not have time to get one and just have to go with what you have. In this case, his fists.
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06-12-2012, 09:15 #2Administrator and Benevolent Dictator
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I read this in a couple of other news outlets yesterday and it looks like the local authorities will likely rule he was protecting a third party. Still it's up to the prosecutor, but I think he'll be fine.
Many years ago (long before the TSA madness of today) in Louisiana, we had a local Karate instructor kidnap and rape a young male student. When he was apprehended, he was flown back to the airport in New Orleans. Local cops went to wherever he was apprehended and escorted him back. The father of the student went to the airport and waited for the arrival. When they got off the plane and was escorting the maggot through the terminal, he stepped in front of them and put several bullets into the creep. Dad surrendered on the spot, and the creep died. Although there was plenty of witnesses and evidence, a jury would not convict the Dad and eventually the case was dismissed.
That's proper justice for child molesters.
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06-12-2012, 20:13 #3
Yes, I remember reading about that case and watching (the edited) video of the shooting. Have a hard time blaming the man, even if it sets a bad precedent, and were I on a jury hearing that case, I would have had a hard time convicting him. Perhaps for misdemeanor homicide, lol? Two days probation. Community service requirement fulfilled by the shooting itself.
I remember reading somewhere -- perhaps even on this board -- that the boy recovered and is living an emotionally healthy and productive life. Perhaps removing the criminal aided in the child's recovery. There is just about NOTHING about the Iranian justice (Iranian "justice" being a contradiction in terms) system I agree with, but their treatment of child molesters and child killers is appropriate.
This man (original post) absolutely had no choice and, like you, cannot see him being convicted -- or perhaps even charged. For self-defence purposes, this is a reminder that you often don't have a gun when you need one and have to be prepared to go with whatever you've got -- even if just your bare arms. He seems to have done just fine unarmed, though.Last edited by Jonathan Randall; 06-12-2012 at 20:19.
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06-16-2012, 13:37 #4Member
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I stand behind this guy 100%, I think he did what any rational father would have done. So far almost everything I've read has supported him as well. I came across one today however that has a line in the article I find disturbing:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...ter-a-criminal
“If he had a weapon and he used it to stop a sexual assault, he would not be indicted, but, ironically, the fact that he didn’t have a weapon leaves him more legally vulnerable than otherwise he would be,” Mr. Rivera told Bill O’Reilly Friday on Fox News. “In this case, you grab him off, now you’ve stopped the sexual assault, but now what are you doing? At what point does prevention of the sex assault become revenge, the implementation of vigilante justice?”
So what you can shoot or stab the guy but if you hit him to hard or one to many times it's a crime. Seriously he was protecting his daughter who was only 4 or 5 from a rape and they want to split hairs over how he protected her and how the guy could legally be killed? Sorry but if thats the way some legal experts want our justice system to work then those experts need their heads examined. Besides whats to stop someone from arguing well you had your hands why didn't you just pull him off instead of shoot him ect. How rediculous can we get but honestly if thats what "legal experts" feel than to me it's all the more reason to make sure I'm armed in some way.Last edited by KnghtAzrael; 06-16-2012 at 13:42.
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Sometimes the judicial system gets it right.
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06-20-2012, 16:32 #7Senior Member
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Madison was a genius. He spent the entire revolution comptemplating a system of government just in case we got luck and happened to win.
Madison's system was a finely thought out system of checks and balances. If the 3 branches of government fail in it's duty to it's citizens and pass bad legislation that is approved and carried out by the Executive branch and the judiciary allows this to happen then the final check and balance IS jury nullification.
The judges and lawyers really hate that one. Judge will instruct you to not judge the law in these cases but sometimes they are full of ****. There is a time that the jury should judge the law because as in this case sometimes someone does need shooting as sad as it is because life is complicated sometimes.
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06-24-2012, 14:03 #8Member
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Both got just what they deserved.



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