Some old pictures from a 1911-1912 book on Jujutsu: Shinto Rikugo Ryu (Ryu no Maki)

**Mekugi** · 08-10-2012, 23:38

Thought you BJJ gentleman might want to take a look at these. They come from a book published on Shinto Rikugo Ryu, a "modern" (at the time) school that disappeared, then assimilate into Kodokan Judo after the school's leader died. Look familiar?

Note: I forgot to mention this originally. The second and third pictures here are part of a sequence. 1 and 2.

**Cliff Hargrave** · 08-11-2012, 09:21

That's cool!

**Abbax8** · 08-11-2012, 11:41

Yep, very familiar.

Dennis

**andy.m** · 08-11-2012, 16:06

These picture shot me down in flames ! I always rant and rave about 'go faster' strips on modern Gi's , guess what, strips on the pants. But I've always maintained, BJJ has to do with Kodokan Judo, than any form of Ju Jutsu . Good stuff.

**Abbax8** · 08-11-2012, 20:35

In the 1960's and 70's, some higher rank yudansha chose to wear black stripes on their pants. I met a few. All were Japanese and only fair judoka on the mat. It was a status thing that seemed silly as your real status was readily proven on the mat.

Dennis

**Mekugi** · 08-11-2012, 23:16

A few more....

**Mekugi** · 08-12-2012, 00:37

Here's a set up and a choke. A "Ushiro Juji-jime" or cross choke from the back, of sorts (the name is different, of course, here is it called- "Enko").

The titles above both of the photos read (from right to left, both pictures) 「第九十圖」 and 「第九十一圖」 "dai kuju zu" and "dai kuju-ichi zu" translated as "pictures 90 and 91," of course numbering the photos. Then the next line of text next to each of the photo numberings is 「猿候ノ一」 and 「猿候ノ二」　"(*W)Enko no Ichi) "(*W)Enko no ni" (*this is using a now extinct phonetic letter ゑ "we")　translated literally as "monkey hand 1" and "monkey hand 2" to show sequence.

**Mekugi** · 08-12-2012, 00:56

Two more....

**Abbax8** · 08-12-2012, 07:45

Originally Posted by Mekugi

A few more....

Note the leg locks !

Dennis

**Mekugi** · 08-12-2012, 23:17

Exactly. Leg locks were done...fact. There were a bunch of formal rule changes in the 1920's, where Kodokan Judo competition rules were laid down on paper after ambiguity reigned; this stated that players must start from the standing position as well. This same document was to later put percentages on how much newaza and nagewaza the students were to do in Kodokan Judo. Notably,Mitsuyo Maeda left Japan before that time.

**Tripitaka of AA** · 08-13-2012, 12:36

Did those cool moustaches fall foul of the rule changes or was it something to do with threats of legal action from J.M. Barrie and the fans of Captain Hook.

/I'll get my coat....

**Abbax8** · 08-13-2012, 14:40

Judo as devised by Kano was a complete art, throws, holds, locks , chokes and strikes. The way it has been adulterated over the years is sad. When I started we trained all areas, although we studied leg locks, wrist locks and strikes the least. But we did cover them. There are many modern judoka who are totally unaware of the full syllabus of Judo.

Dennis

**andy.m** · 08-14-2012, 14:37

Originally Posted by Abbax8

Judo as devised by Kano was a complete art, throws, holds, locks , chokes and strikes. The way it has been adulterated over the years is sad. When I started we trained all areas, although we studied leg locks, wrist locks and strikes the least. But we did cover them. There are many modern judoka who are totally unaware of the full syllabus of Judo.

Dennis

Sadly Dennis, I have to agree.

**Erik** · 08-16-2012, 11:32

I like the racing stripes and short sleeves. Looks cool.

One thing I have wondered about is how I see (and was taught) in Judo and JJJ a variety of chokes from positions that just don't seem to happen in BJJ. I am not sure why, either why these positions don't seem to ever appear in BJJ or why they are taught in JJJ.

For example, Russ's post with 第一九十圖 (I'm copying and pasting blindly, sorry, can't read Japanese). They are in a seated position.

Maybe it is simply from the different cultures of the different sports, I dunno.

**Mekugi** · 08-16-2012, 12:16

I messed that up...sorry...第九十圖..."Illustration #90". Well, it seems to me that there are a few reasons for what you see in "kata-like" techniques. The first is that the position has to be the most advantageous (or at other times more complicated and disadvantageous....bare with me here) so a student can learn the technique. So it is shown with a very unrealistic pretense to allow for demonstration and training. It's like straight arithmetic compared to word problems...you learn the principles in kata, then learn how to work them out in a sparring or "live" training. It's a difference in pedagogy, methinks. Also, there are other reasons for differences; in a scuffle you may just end up this way; or if one is trying to subdue another, not necessarily in a sporting manner, you could be looking at a position like this. Just my two-bits.