Stick fighting

**ninjandrew** · 09-09-2003 14:49

What are some effective, versatile stick fighting styles?? Id like to learn one, because their simple to use and can be found all over the place.

Im interested in short stick styles, and tonfa. Any suggestions??

Btw, any1 know the name of stick grappling??

**KoshoBob** · 09-09-2003 15:21

Kali/Arnis main component is stick fighting.

Stick grappling? if you have a weapon, why would you want to grapple?

**De_Franza** · 09-09-2003 15:58

Dig this, there are even techniques shown on the website:
http://www.geocities.com/glendoyle/bata/

**Sochin** · 09-10-2003 10:57

KoshoBob sed:

Stick grappling? if you have a weapon, why would you want to grapple?

and Crafty Dog sed;

Grappling happens!

Too bad thy're in LA.

http://www.geocities.com/cinaet/practicepartners.html

* Progressive Combat Academy - Jeet Kune Do
Focused on effective street self defense and Jeet Kune Do Concepts, and affiliated with Progressive Fighting Systems. [Edmonton, Alberta]
http://www.progressivecombatacademy.com

good luck,

**jabonn** · 09-10-2003 11:00

Gene LeBell offers in his books grappling with a club or stick. See any MA magazine for his advertisement.

Sochin is right on with the Dog Brothers.

**ninjandrew** · 09-10-2003 11:08

Whoa, Irish stick fighting?? Never woulda thought. It looks pretty cool to. Not as much flailing around and hoping to hit/not get hit as in some other styles. Im Irish to, so Ill definately have to look into it. Good call...

Grappling with a weapon?? Handy in close quarters, when swinging your stick around is useless or impossible.

Disadvantage of weapon, you can't grab with the hand thats holding it. So, grab with the weapon. Ive seen it to, its pretty cool.
(Just pics)

**jabonn** · 09-10-2003 12:17

In Gene's books he uses it more for LEO moves and shows you instances when to use the stick to add additional leverage in holds or locks.

You are correct on the range of motion being limited when utilizing the guard.

**ninjandrew** · 10-28-2003 18:03

Is there a style wich focuses on using a stick of about 50" - 60"? Rather than, 6' bo's or 24" short sticks. Or can most styles simply be applied to this? Suggestions?

**Cliff Hargrave** · 10-28-2003 18:41

how about the jo? about 4' in length. most aiki styles have it.

**Dale Seago** · 10-28-2003 18:56

Originally posted by ninjandrew
Is there a style wich focuses on using a stick of about 50" - 60"? Rather than, 6' bo's or 24" short sticks. Or can most styles simply be applied to this? Suggestions?

Hmm, a stick of 50 inches or so sounds remarkably like a jo to me.

http://shinto-muso-ryu.org/

http://www.aikidoaus.com.au/dojo/docs/sticktech.htm

http://www.aikidojournal.com/catalog...=MorihiroSaito

Or for something a bit shorter: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/8187/Tanjo.htm

or Kukishinden ryu Hanbojutsu (video), available from http://www.ninjutsu.com/store.shtml

MindSpider · 10-28-2003 21:03

Filipino Kali utilizes grappling both against an opponent with a stick, mostly to disarm or strip the weapon but is not with out the capacity to engage in locks, bars, and joint wrenching. Also much of empty hand applications lead to mid-range grappling including that found with arms as well as additional takedowns. Included also is the use of the staff as well as knives and short (25-30") and heavy (50"+) blades/ sticks with similar application of grappling and takedowns.

**Hardcore Fighter** · 11-04-2003 11:17

I had a crazy dream that some members of the Dog Brothers practiced at a park near my house and they were training me in the staff and sticks and everything.

To bad it was just a dream.

**rubberband** · 11-06-2003 17:17

The stick is one of mankinds oldest tools and weapons... there are styles of stick fighting found all over the world where there are sticks... and every style has been influenced by cultural combative habits... some are sword arts with a stick instead of a sword and other as designed for especially for sticks, and more often than not a specific type of stick... the question then is what kind of stick fighting are you interested in? striking... grappling... or just plain old fighting... what length of weapon?

some styles use flicking strikes, other long drawn out strokes... some are like boxing with sticks and others are like a dance... there is much to consider...

and in the end... what works is common to all styles...

umbrella blocks, hitting the hand, rushing, etc...

take care,

Brachialstun · 11-19-2003 08:18

Why dont you look into Hock Hochheim's material?

CL Clifton

**ninjandrew** · 11-19-2003 10:23

Yeah, Hocks the man. I consider him one of the superior knife fighters. His military techniques work great. Most other knife styles I see look like they just end up with both ppl dead. But I never knew Hock did anything with sticks, Ill have to look into that.

But so far, I would have to go with the jo. Good for so many things.

Brachialstun · 11-19-2003 10:33

Hock was 2 different stick systems. He has his PAC program which is basically his take on the FMA and there is the SDMS system. SDMS focuses on using single sticks (think like riot batons, but not limited to that) for self defense applications.

CL Clifton

**Musubi Dojo** · 11-19-2003 14:56

I believe most styles of Ninjutsu teach hanbo (3' staff) grappling and striking techniques. The short stick is pretty versitile.

Cheers
c

**Livio Girotto** · 04-08-2005 21:54

Hello:

There is a Venezuelan stickfighting system known as Garrote Larense. You can check the web site www.garrotelarense.org and see some videos and pictures.

Regards,

Livio

**DragonMind** · 04-11-2005 10:29

Modern Arnis. See Dan Anderson's materials www.danandersonkarate.com

**Andrew Green** · 04-11-2005 12:34

Originally Posted by ninjandrew

Grappling with a weapon?? Handy in close quarters, when swinging your stick around is useless or impossible.

Unfortunately for that theory getting into close quarters is not that difficult. Grappling with weapons is will happen unless there are rules against it. Personally if the other guy has a stick too I'm rather likely to clinch and possibly takedown, reason - I don't get hit as much, but if I am in control I can still hit the other guy quite nicely

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