Shorinji Kempo videos wanted

shorinjikenshi · 02-15-2004, 14:26

Hello everyone. I am in Canada, and I would like to purchase the following Shorinji Kempo videos (used, copy, or new ; Japanese or English; VHS or DVD):

i) 5353 (Video) Shorinji Kempo Techniques -3rd Kyu
Curriculum, NTSC (Japanese)

ii) 5352 (Video) Shorinji Kempo Techniques -2nd Kyu
Curriculum, NTSC (Japanese)

iii) 5351 (Video) Shorinji Kempo Techniques -1st Kyu
Curriculum, NTSC (Japanese)

iv) 5354 (Video) Shorinji Kempo Techniques -1st Dan
Curriculum, NTSC (Japanese)

http://wsko.econ-net.or.jp/sale/

v) Shorinji Kempo techniques DVD (Region All, NTSC)
covering 2nd Dan curriculum Released
The 3rd volume of the DVD series, Ichi no Sho,
covering 2nd Dan techniques on 2 DVDs, in
Japanese/English language.

http://wsko.econ-net.or.jp

(please note that due to past injuries, I am no longer affiliated with any branches)

Thank you for any assistance.

**Tripitaka of AA** · 02-25-2004, 04:03

Hi Ned

As you know from discussions on other boards, these videos are not available to the general public and can only be obtained through a Branch Master. If you're not training, you won't be able to have the videos. If anyone supplies you with them, they run the risk of serious disciplinary measures being taken by WSKO. It isn't worth the possible consequences and you shouldn't be asking them to do such a thing.

I wish you good luck, and hope your injuries recover enough to rejoin the club scene in due course. You could always share a vicarious membership by tuning into the discussions here and on other boards (as I do). I have not trained since 1988, and although I miss it terribly, I find that some of the discussions can help me to keep he spark alive.

shorinjikenshi · 02-25-2004, 18:38

Hi there,

I am happy to say that I have already received some positive replies from some people who are willing to sell me their pre-owned videos (or videos given to them by a friend).

On another note, the thought of there being a penalty or discipline by WSKO to a kenshi who sells their own previously purchased videos to another person is absurd and outrageous. Such an action by WSKO would likely lead to a successful lawsuit in the courts seeking damages (perhaps a class-action suit against WSKO if enough "disciplinary action" were to happen).

In order to understand why anyone can legally sell these pre-owned videos, take a look at the following example. One person purchases a Sony Stereo from a members-only store, such as Costco, and resells it to another person by placing an ad in the local paper. Perhaps the stereo is even resold in a garage sale, or at a flea market. This is perfectly legal (provided that taxes are collected where necessary and that the seller does not promote themself as an "authrorized Sony merchant"). Such commercial activity happens all the time and has formed the basis for global commerce for thousands of years, namely trade!

Regarding the "secrecy" of the sk techniques...there is nothing secret about them. They are detailed in many Japanese-language & Spanish-language books that can be found at most bookstores. Similarly, translations of the original two English books by Doshin So can still be readily purchased (I even own them), although the English versions are now rare. While the combinations and sequences of some of the techniques are unique to some degree to sk, the principles and foundations can be found across other martial arts. for both the philosophies and techniques. Doshin So did do a splendid job with putting it all together in a concise manner.

On a final note, I want to clarify that the purposes for wanting to obtain these videos are purely educational. So, if anyone wants to sell these videos to me (see beginning of thread), let me know!

Take care,
Ned Soo

**Kimpatsu** · 03-02-2004, 03:19

Ned, how long were you a Shorinji Kenshi? You certainly never internalised the philosophy. WSKO is perfectly within their rights to restrict the sale and resale of WSKO videos and books, which is why, for example, the Kyohan is clearly marked "Not for resale" (Hibaihin). From your posts here and on e-budo, I get the impression you're pissed off that Hombu doesn't behave as you want them too: dishing out all manner of videos and books with no regard for the consequences, or the hands into which they might fall. How long did you train? When did you last train? And where did you train?

sandra2000 · 03-04-2004, 10:42

So whereabouts in Canada are you? I am presently taking shorinji kempo classes in NY as I am also attending school there, so I can get some of these tapes from one of the instructors. I would be happy to help you out. How much are you prepared to pay for them above cost?

FYI, there are some great videos available at www.budovideos.com and I see them pop up on eBay every now and then (I can't remember the titles though so they may not be the same ones as you are looking for).

Sandie

**riku** · 03-04-2004, 11:48

Welcome to Budoseek, Sandra2000, hope you enjoy being here! Please remember that forum rules obliges everyone to sign all posts with real, full name.

Once more, welcome.

Riku Ylönen

**Kimpatsu** · 03-04-2004, 17:34

Originally Posted by sandra2000

So whereabouts in Canada are you? I am presently taking shorinji kempo classes in NY as I am also attending school there, so I can get some of these tapes from one of the instructors. I would be happy to help you out. How much are you prepared to pay for them above cost?

Sandra, who's your branch master, please?
Kesshu.

Joseph Aaronson · 03-05-2004, 18:12

Hi Ned,

Send me and email and let me know which videos you are missing in your collection. My friend is currently taking this martial art in Toronto, so I can ask him if he can order these for you and help you out. Then you can deal with him directly.

I actually took shoringi kempo a year ago when I was studying there and I really enjoyed it. However, I did not like the fact that there were salutations to a person on a picture frame and the references made to budha (it did not seem to go with christianity). The class that I took was actually full so I am surprised there are only a few people discussing shoringi kempo here ...perhaps it is not as popular now)

Later!
Joseph Aaronson

Joseph Aaronson · 03-05-2004, 18:15

I just noticed the other person's posting here stating that these are restricted videos, so you may have a problem, Ned. My friend is likely not qualified to buy them. I will try asking him anyways, but why not check eBay!

Joseph Aaronson

**Kimpatsu** · 03-05-2004, 18:38

Originally Posted by Joseph Aaronson

I just noticed the other person's posting here stating that these are restricted videos, so you may have a problem, Ned. My friend is likely not qualified to buy them. I will try asking him anyways, but why not check eBay!

Joseph Aaronson

Shronji Kempo training videos are restricted and thus not available on e-bay. Any Kenshi caught passing on said videos is liable to WSKO sanctions.
BTW, Joseph, what is the name of your friend at the Toronto branch?

Joseph Aaronson · 03-05-2004, 19:02

Tony, What do you mean by "WSKO sanctions"?

As you can appreciate, I won't post my friend's name here without obtaining consent (and he is a very private person!)

BTW, I was curious as to why you are wearing the black coat on top of your judo uniform? Is it heavy with the thick belt? What rank do you have to be to wear one of those?

Joseph Aaronson

**Kimpatsu** · 03-05-2004, 19:15

Originally Posted by Joseph Aaronson

Tony, What do you mean by "WSKO sanctions"?

The ultimate sanction would be dismissal from WSKO. Other sanctions may be at the discretion of the branch master.

Originally Posted by Joseph Aaronson

As you can appreciate, I won't post my friend's name here without obtaining consent (and he is a very private person!)

If he's a Toronto Kenshi, he won't be hard to find; I know the Toronto Branch Master very well.

Originally Posted by Joseph Aaronson

BTW, I was curious as to why you are wearing the black coat on top of your judo uniform? Is it heavy with the thick belt? What rank do you have to be to wear one of those?

Ask your friend.

Joseph Aaronson · 03-05-2004, 19:21

Originally Posted by Kimpatsu

The ultimate sanction would be dismissal from WSKO. Other sanctions may be at the discretion of the branch master.

OUCH!

If he's a Toronto Kenshi, he won't be hard to find; I know the Toronto Branch Master very well.

DOUBLE OUCH!

Ask your friend.

MAJOR OUCH! (now that last one is cruel!)

Joseph Aaronson

**Kimpatsu** · 03-05-2004, 20:17

Originally Posted by Joseph Aaronson

MAJOR OUCH! (now that last one is cruel!)

Joseph Aaronson

Why? If you really have a friend in the Toronto branch, he should be able to answer all such questions.

**Tripitaka of AA** · 03-07-2004, 03:59

Visitors to the forum,reading this thread for the first time may be wondering about Tony's cautious and guarded replies.

I will point out that on another discussion forum (Ebudo.com) the character who originally signed himself "Ned Soo" was told he couldn't buy the videos and came back on the board under varous pseudonyms to try and "support" himself. This did not go unnoticed by the Moderators and his membership was terminated. He can contact the Admin to see about getting back on...

So any "New" member that suddenly appears on this thread to support Ned, is being viewed with a certain degree of suspicion. I hope that this does not upset or offend anyone who may think it is all rather "cloak and dagger".

Ned's request for restricted videos was declined. If WSKO members give away or sell these videos then they will be in breach of various agreements. Ned knows this, but is still trying to persuade genuine Kenshi to run the risk of expulsion, just to help out an old "ex-leper"....

His tactic in the new pseudonym guise, was to come on the board and ask the innocent basic question that would lead to an informed person spending a few minutes carefully crafting an answer. Ned, it would appear, has already got all the books and videos that he is allowed, and would already know the answers that he asked for...

**Kimpatsu** · 03-07-2004, 07:14

Originally Posted by Tripitaka of AA

Visitors to the forum,reading this thread for the first time may be wondering about Tony's cautious and guarded replies.

I will point out that on another discussion forum (Ebudo.com) the character who originally signed himself "Ned Soo" was told he couldn't buy the videos and came back on the board under varous pseudonyms to try and "support" himself. This did not go unnoticed by the Moderators and his membership was terminated. He can contact the Admin to see about getting back on...

So any "New" member that suddenly appears on this thread to support Ned, is being viewed with a certain degree of suspicion. I hope that this does not upset or offend anyone who may think it is all rather "cloak and dagger".

Ned's request for restricted videos was declined. If WSKO members give away or sell these videos then they will be in breach of various agreements. Ned knows this, but is still trying to persuade genuine Kenshi to run the risk of expulsion, just to help out an old "ex-leper"....

His tactic in the new pseudonym guise, was to come on the board and ask the innocent basic question that would lead to an informed person spending a few minutes carefully crafting an answer. Ned, it would appear, has already got all the books and videos that he is allowed, and would already know the answers that he asked for...

Indeed, David; I think our latest correspondent is also the same "Ned Soo": however, being unable to compare his ISP with the ISP used by his various sock puppets on e-budo, I can't be sure.
Kesshu.

**Cebu** · 03-11-2004, 14:31

Tony,

I too am curious about your (dogi and obi?) I have often noted their uniqueness and have meant to ask before. My older brother has just started training in the Chinese art of Kenpo. Are the two styles related? Could you provide me more information?

Respectfully,

John

**Kimpatsu** · 03-11-2004, 17:38

Originally Posted by Cebu

I too am curious about your (dogi and obi?) I have often noted their uniqueness and have meant to ask before. My older brother has just started training in the Chinese art of Kenpo. Are the two styles related? Could you provide me more information?

No, John, the two styles are not related. Despite "Shorin" and "Kempo", Shorinji Kempo is not related to any other style so named.
The pic of me is wearing a hoi. This is a long black garment worn over the dogi, and tied with a big thick belt that looks like a German sausage. Only black belts are allowed to wear hoi, and we only wear them for special occasions. The rest of the time, we wear normal dogi with a coloured belt system, just like everyone else.
HTH.

**Cebu** · 03-11-2004, 18:27

Tony,

Thanks. I went and browsed the WSKO website for more knowledge, but didn't see any other pictures or information relating to the hoi.

I did however see some pictures of practioners wearing the hoi on a branch website from Iowa.

So it is more of a ceremonial garment for senior practioners than a training uniform?

From what I could tell your style seems to blend the hard style of karate and the soft style of Aikido. Hopefully I have not misunderstood or oversimplified it. It appears to be a very thorough art...How long have you been training in it?

Didn't mean to hijack the topic...just curious. I got a very late start in the MA and I'm becoming more and more fascinated by the various styles.

Regards,

John

**Kimpatsu** · 03-11-2004, 19:39

Not merely ceremonies, John; we also wear the hoi for demonstrations, and other public events.
Shorinji Kempo goho superficially resembles karate, in that it comprises punching, kicking, blocking, etc., and juho superficially resembles aikido, yes, but there is more to it than that; however, as a one-line explanation, it serves fine.
Don't worry about "hijacking" the thread; I think this bonehead's attempt to get hold of classified Shorinji Kempo videos is at an end. In future, however, it would be better to start a new thread in the Shorinji Kempo forum. As the moderator, I monitor all traffic through the Shorinji Kempo forum.
Best,