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04-12-2004, 11:17 #1Junior Member
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Favorite Submission
I was just wondering what everyones favorite submission was or what submission they find easiest to use and why?
Lately mine has been the arm triangle. I find it easiest to use my body to push my opponents arm across their neck and place the choke, maybe it is because I am a girl and need to used more than just arm strength to get someone into position.Lisa Deneka
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04-12-2004, 12:04 #2Senior Member
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I always like using the arm bar, only I have my own little twist to it. The basic idea is the arm bar you get whe you have mounted your opponent and get them reaching up. You trap their arm to your chest, spin and lay back, perpendicular to them, barring the arm over your hips. ( I know, we have all seen this one ) Here is my variation on this move, that I never see people use. I get side control and try to shove my knees under their side. Then I start going for the cross arm bar or americana, which ever they not countering. I will also drop my elbow into their neck. What I am looking for, is for them to roll slightly to their side, facing away from me and to put their arm around my body, under my armpit. They will usually do this if they think they can roll you over. As soon as they get a good grip on me, I use my upper arm to trap their arm around me, as I swing one leg over their face and lay back. I bring my other ankle up underneath my knee and bar their arm over my shin instead of my hips. ( its not the best way to hold someone, but it is a very good way to quickly break their arm ) Anyway, I like using that because people never expect that arm bar when you have side control. They always expect the cross arm bar or americana or a position change. While going for the cross arm bar or americana, most of the time, they will set themsselves up for this bar, all you have to do is take it. So many Pride and UFC fights would be a lot shorter if the guy in side control would use this move, he is usually always set up for it.......
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04-12-2004, 13:36 #3Senior Member
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That's interesting about the side-control armbar. I just read a technique in Jean-Jaques Machado's BJJ book that is similar to this. Since most people expect you to go for the arm on the opposite side when you have side control, he'll often go for the arm on the same side. He usually goes to a semi-knee-on-stomach position, and then drops back into the arm bar.
Personally, my favorite submission is the rear naked choke. It, to me, is quintessential BJJ. It's like you work through the hierarchy of positions, work to take the back, and choke them out with a freakin' mean ass choke.
As far as in NHB fights, my favorite submission was Royce Gracie's triangle choke over Dan Severn in UFC IV - that was a great end to the fight.-Michael Luebbers
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04-12-2004, 13:43 #4Senior Member
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I will have to go take a look at Jean-Jaques Machado's BJJ book. It sounds like the same move, minus the knee on stomach part.
Royce beating Dan was one of my favorites too. The best part of that submission has to be the announcers though: "Royce is in some real trouble now, he can't get out of Dans control, he has his leg up around Dan's head, but there is nothing there, whats he thinking....WAIT Dan just tapped out??? What happened??? Why did he tap???"
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04-12-2004, 13:51 #5Junior Member
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LOL! That is my youngest daughter's trademark submission in her kid's class. Because it is the kid's class, she places it with one arm over the shoulder and one arm under the other arm locking her hands together and never really applying any kind of choke (the real choke she reserves for her coach only
Originally Posted by Luebbers
) She gets her opponents into this position and holds it for a count of five to win the match. No one can get their hooks in like she can. Makes a mommy proud
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My favorite moves are probably the Triangle and the Rear Naked choke. I've been focusing on improving my arm bar from the guard lately though, and once I its up to snuff I can see myself using it quite often since I like to work the guard and it usually feels less risky than a triangle.
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juji gatame - arm lock, i try to hit it from lots of different angles and set ups.
Jiu-Jitsu - like chess, except you get to choke people.
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04-13-2004, 22:21 #8Member
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do we have to pick just one...
I have spent the most time working on side wrist lock (what bjjers call kimura) I like it because you can catch it very easily on the fly and it is a great set up for other moves... it can also be used as a leverage while wrestling...
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I'd like to go for neck, too.. rear choke.. but it seems to be rather hard to find way to get there
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Rear choke. Never had a chance to apply it during grappling sessions in our karate class though. At work is a different story.
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Great, throw me in that liability loop when I am not even there!
Originally Posted by Dennis Monk
Jiu-Jitsu - like chess, except you get to choke people.
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Im looking for the armbar or a chooke but I usually end up with a guillitine or a heel hook.
People tend not to defend their legs well.
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I have never had any real training in submissions but i have found something that works for me. The style I took was based on Tae-Kwon-Do so i throw alot of high kicks. Anyway I went to a BJJ class and saw the instructor demonstrating a collar choke(not sure what it is called). He slid his right hand across the opponentschest and grabbed towards the back of his collar. He then crossed his other hand over and grabbed the other side. Then he fell back and choked him(don't know the right terms so just stay with me here.) I found this usefull in sparring when my opponent catches one of my kicks and tries to push me on my back. It took a few tries but now works like a charm.
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04-14-2004, 10:33 #14Fire_WingsGuest
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I have always liked chokes. Since most people in my class are a good deal bigger than me, sometimes joint locks are often difficult.
My personal favourite is the guillotine, (closed guard, wrap arm around neck of opponent headlock style, extend hips.) since guard is a possition I am in alot.
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BJJ guys usually call them "Gi Chokes" There are a bunch of them. The one you're describing is one of the first and most useful moves I've learned in BJJ. It is fairly easy to defend while in someone's guard, but its one of those moves that you always have to be defending against or you'll be caught in it in no time flat.
Originally Posted by Tribalweapon
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Ude garame and ude gatame (juji gatame plus varitaions on that one). I used to like chokes, but my teacher protects his neck so well, so I just grab at the closest flailing object....
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The first one
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I dont like to grapple with the gi cause I rely on it too much.
When do I like to use thrust choke.
Usually it just keeps them busy while I get something else in, sometimes I get it.
I dont grapple much anymore, I love but I just dont have enough students interested in it.
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I hate you people!!! The cross-collar gi choke is the bane of my existence! I dislike gi chokes in general, but that one really drives me nuts. I'm just minding my own business trying to take a breather in your guard - why do you have to interrupt my moment of rest with this infernal technique! I know you're tired, too; I can feel the sluggishness in your legs and your half-hearted attemps at scooting to the side or bringing the legs up for an arm-bar or a choke - but NOOO, not to tired to start screwing with my gi and forcing me to defend it now before it's too late. Ohhh, that cursed choke...
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