Protecting others

[Kimpatsu]

Dude, talk about a moral question. Perhaps, the only time I'd intervene is if that person's life is in danger and I felt that I could prevent them from being a victim. Of course, it's going to be more complicated than that.

Jon, by your definition, you would not intervene in a rape or a mugging, because although violent crimes, the actual life of the victim is not in danger. Surely that's not what you mean to say?

[Chrono]

Jon, by your definition, you would not intervene in a rape or a mugging, because although violent crimes, the actual life of the victim is not in danger. Surely that's not what you mean to say?

I do believe a good percentage of rapes often end in murder. Of course, a definite numer is impossible to know, so it's hard to say. Same thing with muggings. You just don't know what may happen. Don't forget my last statement - it is more complicated than what I originally described.

[Kimpatsu]

I do believe a good percentage of rapes often end in murder. Of course, a definite numer is impossible to know, so it's hard to say. Same thing with muggings. You just don't know what may happen. Don't forget my last statement - it is more complicated than what I originally described.

We're talking about "stranger" rapes here, right? In that case, the majority don't end in murder. Most murders are by people well-known to the victim. (Just to make the ethical considerations harder...)

[Grei]

I think, by his line of reasoning, you should take it into consideration if the possibility is high it could end in murder. Any mugging or rape could really go either way.

I don't think I've said anything on this issue yet... for good reason, it's not exactly very definate. A good system I think to do though, would be to carry a cell phone with you. If something goes down, call 911 and then go see what you could do to help... same with any sort of accident really.

[Kimpatsu]

I think, by his line of reasoning, you should take it into consideration if the possibility is high it could end in murder. Any mugging or rape could really go either way.

But he didn't specify that; quite the opposite,. He seemed to go out of his way to separate rape and mugging from murder.
Yours anally,

[Grei]

WELL, what he said was if he felt the persons life is in danger. That's kinda vague. I think chances are in a lot of muggins and rapes, it would seem like the persons life was in danger, whether it was or not.

[Rasputin]

Yours anally,

Please don't use rape and anally in the same post. You are just asking Gene to blow a gasket.


I would only intervene if it were a friend or family member in trouble. Anyone else can rely upon the paid professionals for assistance.

[Kimpatsu]

Please don't use rape and anally in the same post. You are just asking Gene to blow a gasket.

That's a bum rap...

[Glide]

If you feel someone is in REAL danger... Rape, Muggers ect.. you have a obligation to step in... even if your a non- trained person.
Now... Two drunks bangin' in the parking lot is different...I say crack a beer and enjoy the show !

[fightgrrl]

No one has an obligation to step in on behalf of a stranger.
I will call 911, or look for help.


As far as the US is concerned, most rapes don't end in murder and as with murder, most rape victims know their attacker. Stranger rape just seems alot scarier and easier to grasp but it happens less than 20% of the time. (Mass. 2002 or 3)
I'm not thinking that 20% is a number that gets bigger as people get more educated, and rape is highly underreported, because it's almost always someone known to the victim and therefore embarrassing.

So figure you are probably NEVER going to intervene on a rape scenario anyway.

[TonyU]

No one has an obligation to step in on behalf of a stranger.
I will call 911, or look for help.

That's what I'm there for. Actually that's what Cliff is there for.
I'm for when he sees Cliff and barricades himself in the house.

On another note, obligation is the wrong description for me, more like duty .
A matter of semantics, really.

[Gene Williams]

I believe it is our moral duty to help those weaker than us or those whose lives are in danger. I agree, however, about the two drunks slugging it out or thugs or gangs fighting. Hell, let 'em kill each other, who cares (well, you could separate the drunks). Of course, in today's society, you could get arrested yourself for "helping." Especially if you are like me and feel that you are not through dealing with the problem until your gun is empty.

[jjaje]

Always be careful - the story below happened to a "good samaritan" last weekend in the township just south of mine.

http://macombdaily.com/stories/01160...aying001.shtml

[Chrono]

Of course, in today's society, you could get arrested yourself for "helping."

Arrested and/or successfully sued.

[Glide]

No one has an obligation to step in on behalf of a stranger.
I will call 911, or look for help.

I would say that was steppin' in. Otherwise you would turn your back, walk away and do nothing.

[jakmak52]

Every person in society is morally obligated to help other members of society when they need help, regardless of whether or not they are a martial artist.

Martial artists have an even greater obligation to assist in the protection against predators when possible, just as medical doctors have more responsibility to assist in medical emergencies because of their specialized training.

Ximinez,

Please don't forget to sign all your posts with your real, full name per the forum rules. Thanks.

I fully agree, notice my quote at the bottom.

[William Fischer]

Shoshin Ryu YUdanshakai has a feature on their website entitled, " Education Corner," which discusses all aspects of the Law of Self-Defense in detail. It should provide an understanding to anyone who wants to know their rights before the police or a jury decide it for them.

[BlueDragon]

I feel a little safer living in Australia then. Fire arms are rare and suing isn't common place. There are a lot of incidents involving knives though. In my home town there was an incident of a car full of teenage hoons doing burnouts etc. in a street. A resident went out to talk to them and ended up getting stabbed. On the upside, he survived and the idiot with the knife was charged and put away. I don't get it though, in a situation where he could've just moved on to the next street why choose the option that would put him in jail?

Back to my personal opinion though, I would want to intervene even knowing that there is a risk to my own saftey. If I was the one being mugged, raped or beat into ground while screaming for help, I would hope that someone hearing would actually help. In fact, I have been the victim of an assault that could've become serious if someone hadn't intervened, it's the reason I took up martial arts.

[basher]

Wow. I'm surprised at many of the wishy-washy responses (cry and cry all you want that I used the word wishy-washy, I think it is, it's my opinion). If I see someone getting pummeled by a group of thugs, I'm jumping in there to help the person, nothing to think about.

If I see a gun, I'm running to get help.

A knife--grab something and jump in, or shout at the attacker to distract him/her.

That's how I was raised.

[Musubi Dojo]

Wow. I'm surprised at many of the wishy-washy responses (cry and cry all you want that I used the word wishy-washy, I think it is, it's my opinion).

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