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07-05-2004, 15:13 #1Newbie
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- Michael G. Olive
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- Nov 2003
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Grand Master Jerson Tortal Returns to the Midwest!
Greetings,
Grand Master Jerson Tortal will return to the Midwest for two dates of intensive training. Grand Master Tortal was very impressed with our efforts here in the Midwest that he has delayed his return to the Philippines to share more of his family’s system of Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. This is a limited opportunity to train with a true legend in Philippine Martial Arts. Please come by and support or efforts and show Grand Master Tortal and the world that the Midwest is a serious area for Kali Arts.
Grand Master will first be in Terra Haute Indiana for two days on July 17th and 18th 2004. Please Contact Guru Mike Snow at 812-240-9892 for more information. The event will be held at the Wabash Valley family Sports Center and will be only $100.00 for both days!
On July 24th, 2004 Grand Master Tortal will be conducting a Demonstration at the Missouri State Games Martial Arts competition in Columbia Missouri. On July 25th there will be an intensive 4 hour training session at Dexter’s Training center in Columbia Missouri. Start time will be 10:00AM – 12:00PM, Lunch, then 1:00PM – 3:00PM. Cost of this event is only $30.00! Space is limited, please call Guru Michael G Olive at 573-690-0041 or email me at kaliace@yahoo.com.
Respectfully,
Guru Michael G Olive
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07-06-2004, 20:27 #2Member
- Name
- Jack Beungood Ouilette
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- Jul 2000
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- Near Boston,Mass
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Dekiti Tirsia siradas
Is the art you mentioned "Dekiti Tirsia Siradas" the same art or a derivative of Pekiti-Tirsia Kali? Did Master Jerson Tortal Train with Pekiti's Tuhon Leo Gaje? Can you tell us more on this art? What does it mean? What are it's thoeries?
Salamat,Salamat,
Jack beungood ouilette
"Build Good Spirit,make a strong fence"
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07-07-2004, 09:22 #3Newbie
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- Michael G. Olive
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- Nov 2003
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Mr. Beungood,
Originally Posted by beungood
Thank you for your interest. Grand Master Jerson Tortal will be in the Boston Area at the end of this month. I am not sure of the details, but I will try to find out for you.
Those are all good questions, and can be the cause of great debates the usually end badly. Keeping that in mind what I can try to address is what I have experienced first hand, and don’t want to get into the speculation or family issues.
Grand Master Jerson Tortal Is Tuhon Leo Gaje’s Uncle. Tuhon Gaje came to America to spread the Kali arts many years ago. Grand Master Jerson Tortal is just now starting to make his presence known in the US.
Are the styles the same? Well no, and yes. I have trained some in both styles and I find the Dekiti Tirsia Siradas is much more combative. It is not quick, simple, and no nosense approach to fighting. I consider it a very “pure” form of the Kali Arts. Now before any of the Pekiti Tirsia folks jump all over me, I think the techniques and drills associated with PT are great and worthwhile. There is nothing wrong with the PT. I am just wanted to give how I see the difference in the two. I enjoy the DTS as it fits me the best.
Dekiti – Very tightly close, to close in
Tirsia – Quartering in-fighting
Siradas – Stop opponent from penetrating in attack, close the door on him/her
DTS is a complete system with the emphasis on the Blade all the way to the ground fighting. Grand Master Jerson Tortal is an incredible Martial Artist, which has a very kind and giving heart. At the young age of 67 Grand Master Tortal can keep up and out work any of us “young” fellows. During his Seminars he will work with every person on the technique individually. He is very passionate about his training.
I hope you will be able to come by and see it first hand. I am very confident you would not be disappointed.
Thank you again for your questions, I hope it helped some.
Respectfully,
Michael G Olive
www.rattanclub.com
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07-07-2004, 09:30 #4Newbie
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- Michael G. Olive
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- Nov 2003
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- Jefferson City MO
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Sorry, this should of course be It IS A quick....
Originally Posted by kaliace
DO'H!
Michael G Olive
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07-08-2004, 00:19 #5Member
- Name
- Jack Beungood Ouilette
- Join Date
- Jul 2000
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- Near Boston,Mass
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- Pekiti-Tirsia Kali, Muay Thai Buran/Katcheuk, Hapkido
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Thanks
Michael,
Thanks for the primer on Dekiti Tirsia Siradas. I am still rather new and try to read as much as I can on FMA. I look forward to His visit in Boston.
Salamat,Salamat,
Jack beungood ouilette
"Build Good Spirit,make a strong fence"
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07-09-2004, 01:01 #6Member
- Name
- Jack Beungood Ouilette
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- Jul 2000
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- Near Boston,Mass
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- Pekiti-Tirsia Kali, Muay Thai Buran/Katcheuk, Hapkido
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Dekiti footwork
What type of footwork does Dekiti use?
Salamat,
Jack beungood ouilette
"Build Good Spirit,make a strong fence"
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07-09-2004, 12:44 #7Newbie
- Name
- Michael G. Olive
- Join Date
- Nov 2003
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- Jefferson City MO
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- Kali Silat
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Mr. Benugood,
Originally Posted by beungood
Thank you again for your reply. I am still waiting to hear back about the Boston Seminar.
Dekiti Tirsia uses very simple and efficient foot work. Though Grand Master does not consider it “triangle footwork” it is close to the reverse triangle work you might be familiar with. The key is getting out of the line of attack. In fact Grand Master Tortal will remind you to “GET OUT” when he is coming at you with an attack. There is side stepping used as well.
It is all very basic but effective footwork to close the distance and get into a position of control and advantage. I find that very appealing to be able to use the most effective way to control and finish your opponent.
It still blows my mind that it really is simple, but it will take a lifetime to master.
Respectfully,
Michael G Olive



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