Questions About Chin Na

[SOTHERSMARCO]

I Am Returning To Okinawa Kenpo, After Taking A Brief Break (of 10 Years) I Left As A Ni Dan. However, During My Absence I Became A Law Enforcement Officer And Was Exposed To Many Physical Confrontations. Most Utilized Joint Locks To Facilitate Hand Cuffing. Also During My Break, I Did Quite A Bit If Reading About Okinawa Kenpo (armchair Martial Artist-for Which I Am Deeply Ashamed) And Realized That Many Of The Kata Applications That Involved Joint Locks In Okinawa Kenpo Originated In China. Thus The Name (ken Po--chinese Hands) I Have Looked Through Books On Chin Na And Recognize Many Of The Techniques From Our Kata. Question: What Style Of Chinese Fighting Includes Chin Na Techniques????????? Because To My Knowledge I Have Never Seen A Chin Na School..as I Understand It Chin Na Is Not A Style But Grapping Techniques. Marco Sothers

[sean_stonehart]

Most CMA contain qinna. The Chinese figured out early on if you break, rip, dislocate, etc... something, the fight would end a lot quicker. Some styles have a heavier concentration on qinna than others, but most all CMA styles/systems/families/etc... have qinna in them.

Some of the styles that tend to have a focus on or at least a penchant for qinna are Taiji Quan, Bagua Zhang, Bei Tang Lang Quan, Ying Jow Pai, Hung Ga, Choy Lee Fut. These aren't exclusive & by no means anywhere close a list, but just a smattering of internal & external, northern & southern.

[Jeff Burger]

There is no style called Chin-na / Qinna.
Its an aspect of many CMA.
Yang Jwing Ming has done alot of work looking into Qinna from several styles.

Jeff

[TonyU]

There is no style called Chin-na / Qinna.
Its an aspect of many CMA.
Yang Jwing Ming has done alot of work looking into Qinna from several styles.

Jeff

Interesting. I had asked you about it when I was up there, but didn't know it wasn't a style all of it's own.
You learn something new every day.

[Jim Perkins]

Chin Na/Qin Na is more of a subset of techniques used in many kung fu styles basic meaning is sieze and controll. You will find that it is rooted in many other sytles as well Jujitsu, Aikido, etc.

[TonyU]

Chin Na/Qin Na is more of a subset of techniques used in many kung fu styles basic meaning is sieze and controll. You will find that it is rooted in many other sytles as well Jujitsu, Aikido, etc.

Yes I understand that now. I see it in some techniques in what I pratice (Shorin Ryu). But before I used to say "Oh it's like Chin Na" as opposed to "It has Chin Na in it"

[Jeff Younger]

Chin-na is, IMHO, more accurately described as "standing grappling" or even better as "counter-grappling." Thus chin-na and grappling are not identical.

In systems especially concerned with multiple attackers, like Ba Gua, chin-na and grappling methods are considered less important than (perhaps even inferior to) striking methods. This is a very controversial view today.

IMHO, the really intersting aspect of chin-na is how some systems have integrated it with weapons handling. You see this a lot in Western martial arts, but few Asian martial arts seem to combine standing grappling and weapons handling.

[creq]

Actually, the best translation for chin-na is "to seize and hold".

[Jeff Younger]

Actually, the best translation for chin-na is "to seize and hold".

There is a large and customary difference between a description and a translation.