What is your Jujutsu?

[chrismoon]

Hello folks, first time poster. I typically am on the e-budo boards. I am a student of Hontai Yoshin ryu jujutsu. I train in Louisville, Kentucky under Brian Barnes sensei. Chris, who do you train HYR with in Hawaii? I would love to chat with you via email regarding the art and your opinion and experiences.
Jeff Brown

Hi,

The HYR group is from what I can tell an unsanctioned group that gets together to practice. I only stop by about once a month just to do hanbo stuff with them. The guy that runs the show is named Lauren Pelky (sp?). Being that they are not my main focus, I really do not care if they are authorized or not. I like the hanbo stuff and the beach where they train. Feel free to email me, bcmoon2003@yahoo.com.

[morpheus]

Chris,
Cool. I have not yet gotten to the hanbo material. I sent you an email as well, I would be interested to hear your take regarding the influence of Takenouchi Ryu on the jujutsu of HYR. I have seen very little Takenouchi Ryu but in the history of HYR it apparently is an influence.

[Mekugi]

The taijutsu definately has a root; the founder was defeated by Takenouchi and became a "student" after three defeats. The hanbo/bo is more than likely from Kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho, which "exchanged" the taijutsu for bojutsu.

Chris,
Cool. I have not yet gotten to the hanbo material. I sent you an email as well, I would be interested to hear your take regarding the influence of Takenouchi Ryu on the jujutsu of HYR. I have seen very little Takenouchi Ryu but in the history of HYR it apparently is an influence.

[morpheus]

Russ, nice to meet you. The HYR story has the defeat falling on the second headmaster, TAKAGI Umanosuke Shigesada, who was reportedly near seven feet tall. Wayne Muramoto has a nice article about the encounter. I look forward to doing the hanbo work!
Jeff

[Soke Skip]

I have studyed ju-jitsu for over 35 years. My teacher was Sanzo Seki who
taught what he called Japanese Ju Jitsu. Since it is considered the MOTHER
of all Martial Arts, it had throws, ground work, kicks, atemi, nerve usage,
sword, jo,aki,resuscitation. There was so much to learn, I had just staid with it to try to learn what was available to me. My tacher would bring in other teachers who specialized in one or more of the disciplines. I got to study with
some of the best in the world, like Judo Gene, Hayward Nishioka, Kim Kahana,
who I con tinued to study with for many years.
"old saying, Its not how many styles you study, but how much knowledge and principles, can you use."

[Mekugi]

I do believe that is where I got my info too...is that the same one that ends with Takenouchi taking out his wakazashi and saying "Next time, you get this" or something like that?

Have you seen the "3-section staff" stuff? There is an embu with that in it and a magazine with a couple pictures. I believe Steve Delaney has them.

-Russ

Russ, nice to meet you. The HYR story has the defeat falling on the second headmaster, TAKAGI Umanosuke Shigesada, who was reportedly near seven feet tall. Wayne Muramoto has a nice article about the encounter. I look forward to doing the hanbo work!
Jeff

[morpheus]

Russ,
That is indeed the one. I beat you once okay, i beat you twice too bad for you, but the third time I will give you a little of this.
The official website for HYR offers a very abbreviated version of the story (no details at all) other than to confirm that it happened. They have also recently updated a number of things including the recent change in soke.
Check it out if you have not already done so: www.hontaiyoshinryu.com
I have not seen any of the three section staff, very interesting. To be honest all I have seen of the Kukishin ryu staff work is with the rokushaku bo. I am pretty much a novice.
Good talking with you
Jeff

[Mekugi]

Sweet! I holp Inoue senior is well. The pics on here are pretty nice, definitely worth checking out :
http://www11.plala.or.jp/hyrhonbu/infomation.htm

The 3-section staff is very intruiging. The pictures steve had were out of "Kendo World" (I believe....it's been a while since I have seen them.)

it out if you have not already done so: www.hontaiyoshinryu.com The official website for HYR offers a very abbreviated version of the story (no details at all) other than to confirm that it happened. They have also recently updated a number of things including the recent change in soke.

I have not seen any of the three section staff, very interesting.
Good talking with you
Jeff

[George Kohler]

The 3-section staff is very intruiging. The pictures steve had were out of "Kendo World" (I believe....it's been a while since I have seen them.)

I haven't seen it yet, but I believe the staff is called a rensa sankakubo and it is taught in the Tsutsui line of Takagi-ryu.

[TimoS]

I've been studying Tauramuso ryu for a couple of years now, so I'm very much a beginner

There isn't much information about our style available on the internet (except either in finnish or japanese), but the style was originally a family style and went by the name of Muso ryu. The current head of style, Motomu Ikubo toryo, then modernized the style to some degree as it was in danger of being lost forever and renamed it to Tauramuso ryu. Apparently much has been lost forever. In addition to jujutsu the style contains jojutsu and tojutsu (and other weapons also).

[Mekugi]

Do you have links in Japanese?

(except either in finnish or japanese)

[TimoS]

Do you have links in Japanese?

Yes, here is the homepage of Ikubo sensei. He teaches also Shorinji ryu karate, or at least taught. I'm not sure how much he teaches anymore

[Mekugi]

OK! Thought that was the link, the Karate thing threw me off.
They are out of Sapporo! Kewl!

Yes, here is the homepage of Ikubo sensei. He teaches also Shorinji ryu karate, or at least taught. I'm not sure how much he teaches anymore

[Gunyo Kogusoku]

I might be wrong, but I think it's the Kusuhara line.

The pictures are from a 1978 issue of Kendo World or Kendo Jidai. (Can't remember which, as all of my gear is still in storage.)

[George Kohler]

I might be wrong, but I think it's the Kusuhara line.

Yes, Kusuhara line is the same as the Tsutsui line. I believe Tsutsui and Kusahara are family members.

[Mekugi]

Here's a good reference, It does not provide the Kusuhara or Inoue lines directly, but it has Tsutsui in it.
http://www.shinjin.co.jp/kuki/hyoho/...-takagiu_e.pdf

Yes, Kusuhara line is the same as the Tsutsui line. I believe Tsutsui and Kusahara are family members.

[morpheus]

Russ,
I would love to be able to read it but the work computer does not do Japanese text and I no longer have access at home. Anything particularly interesting?

[Mekugi]

It's in English.

Russ,
I would love to be able to read it but the work computer does not do Japanese text and I no longer have access at home. Anything particularly interesting?

[morpheus]

Russ,
When I try to open it I get an error message that says an error has occurred and to correct it I would need to have the most current Japanese language package installed.
Can you copy the text and send it as a private message? (He says crossing fingers)
thanks

[George Kohler]

Russ,
When I try to open it I get an error message that says an error has occurred and to correct it I would need to have the most current Japanese language package installed.
Can you copy the text and send it as a private message? (He says crossing fingers)
thanks

Jeffrey,

It will not look right if the text is copied and paste. There are some line drawings that does not copy. The best thing to do is download the language package.

Here is the link for the download http://www.adobe.com/products/acroba...nfontpack.html