Distance education (ICHF)

[Todd Worobey]

I was wondering if anyone out there has had sucess with distance education? I am greatly interested in the Combat Hapkido distance program, possibly studying ICHF style as well as tradional Hapkido at a local Dojang. I would have to travel for testing but I think I may be up to the challenge.
Any thoughts /experiences?

[John Bennett]

Your money and time would be better spent elsewhere.

Are there no training places where you live?

[Todd Worobey]

Yes, there are at least two Dojangs nearby, I'll be attending some classes to check them out. I was considering taking the distance courses as well as training locally /traditionally. One Dojang seems to be the size of a shoebox & the other I haven't seen yet.

[kodanjaclay]

Todd,

ICHF Hapkido is not Hapkido. It is closer to Hoshinsul or maybe CQC. If you want Hapkido then seek out a true Hapkido school.

Case in point. My Hapkido Kwanjangnim was at event where Pelligrini was a 2nd Dan. I'm thinking he was an Yuk Dan at the time. Today, and not much later, My Kwanjangnim is an 8th Dan and now JP is a 9th Dan. When you look at the minimal standards from both Kido and KHF, it becomes readily apparent that someone skipped some time.

I also saw an ICHF tape. To be honest, the material I saw I would fail a yugupja for performing on a test.

[John Bennett]

I don't know your level of experience Todd, but it's best to wait until you've had about 200 hours of instructional mat time before venturing into the land of CQB videos.

This gives a person the experience necessary to discern the wheat from the chaff.

[Todd Worobey]

Thanks everyone, I'll hold off the visa card for awhile. I am an absolute newbie to Hapkido & in no hurry to learn it all. I do want to learn it right though.
If ICHF is not Hapkido why do they claim to be so? Their website is full of such claims.

[Todd Worobey]

[QUOTE=kodanjaclay]Todd,

"If you want Hapkido then seek out a true Hapkido school."

Can you then point me in the right direction? Every Hapkido site I've come across seems to indicate they are "true" Hapkido. Define true please. Is this the norm within Hapkido? One advocate of a particular style claims their form the only true one & all others cheap imitations? Not the attitude I'm interested in learning from if that is the case.

[kodanjaclay]

Todd,

Let me say this. avoid politics. True Hapkido is an art which transcends politics. True there are people who will push their specific agenda, but in the end good Hapkido is good Hapkido. And organization is not important, contrary to what many would have you believe.

I would be honored to help you. Contact me at frankclay@indy.rr.com and we'll talk from there.

I will also tell you this, if there is something else there, and no apparently good Hapkido, then I will recommend something else. So before you write me, think about what you want to achieve. Could be you are barking up the wrong tree entirely.

[Todd Worobey]

Master Clay;
I thank you for your response, I'll be sure to take you up on your offer & write to you once I visit the Dojangs. This experience has thusfar made me reflect on what I want to achieve through the study of martial arts, whatever form I choose. My first experiences in martial arts were not that positive. I met many people who kept using words like "Warriors", & it put me off completely.
Aikido changed all that, I deeply admire the way Aikidoka approach conflict & I am having a feeling that may be my true path. I am looking for a martial way that I can study for the rest of my life, as such, what happens off the mat is just as important to me as on. I have always been attracted to Hapkido because it seemed such a well rounded martial art. Tremendously practical (especially in my line of work), and challenging to learn. Politics always leaves a bitter taste however. I will visit these Dojangs & consider all my options seriously. I thank you again for all your input. Wish me luck .
-Todd worobey.

[ELBOHEMIO]

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[kodanjaclay]

David,

I agreed with you up til the end. No one can teach another all facets of a street fight. A street fight is virtually a living breathing entity that is different each time it happens. Though they may be similar, they are not exactly alike.

Never forget this... and my words come from experience.

Todd,

I do wish you luck. Whatever you find, make sure it teaches various ranges. It is better to master one technique that you can readily use than to learn a bunch that you cannot.

[Todd Worobey]

Agreed. Martial arts is a learned skill, and at best improves your chance of winning a violent conflict 10-20% tops. Attitude of you & your apponent are of great importance. If you cannot generalize your skills into real world situations then they are of little use. I have "delt" with several opponents in real world conflicts over the years who had much more martial art training but were unable to adapt it against a determined opponent (me). ***Disclaimer:Please note all of these conflicts were with complete Jacka$$e$ who earned their thrashings & were being complete ba$tard$ against friends &/or complete strangers who were in need of help ***
I want to learn one style & learn it well, maybe thats why I'm being so picky before I truely commit. I thought the additional study of the ICHF style would be complimentary to the traditional Hapkido & very practical for me as well

[ELBOHEMIO]

Thanks,

1st I'm a Traditional and Non Traditional Hapkido Student. I'm studying with my teacher both styles in my area in Puerto Rico and that's is because we understand that somes aspects in the traditional way is not the best way to fight in the street. Remember that old traditional forms made for that time in "X" place, it can be Korea for example. My old Hapkido Teacher (my teacher, Master) he was a Army Ranger who learn hapkido in korea. So when he came back to PR he open his Dojang and then he met Pellegrini and join his Fed.

In my school we was part of Pellegrini Federation but now we star a new step with GM Michael De Alba in the Modern Farang Mu Sul. I got to say that the system is more complete that CH also it is the Huk Ju Sool hapkido system and it is a Modern Version of Korean martial arts.

Second, I put the information of the Huk Ju Sool System because in my experience it is most effective than Combat Hapkido. Also Master Pedro Rodriguez was Pellegrini Vice President so is there's someone who knows the good and bad things of Combat hapkido it is Master Rodriguez but with his experience in Hapkido ( Huk Ju Kwan and Combat) and others system he found Huk Ju Sool and CQDT.

I'm not saying that is the best system in the world. I'm Just saying that it is a Good Options for people that wants to learn some others new concepts into their experiences.

3rd, I'm still a ICHF member and I'm Croos Traing with others Arts. So you can see I'm trying to be a open mind and understand that no one can teach you all the aspects of street fight, but I train to get out of the situation alive.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Sorry for my errors but my english grammar is not to good.

Mr. Frank Clay

Can you tell that in your Hwa Rang World Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan you practice they teach you Joint locks, Grappling etc?. I want to know because I see others Tang Soo Do Styles and they are just Kick, punches and strikes and I'm intresting to buy a couple of videos. Thanks

[Todd Worobey]

Gracias David, Pura Vida /Mucho Gusto!

[ELBOHEMIO]

Thanks Todd.

Check this link so maybe you can find a traditional hapkido school in your area.

www.hapkido-info.net

Mucho Gusto

[DragonMind]

So when he came back to PR he open his Dojang and then he met Pellegrini and join his Fed.

Just a side note. I know another instructor in PR that you should meet if you don't know him already. His name is Rico Cortez. He is a student of Tuhon Ray Dionaldo in Sayoc Kali. Rico also has a 6th Dan in Aikijujutsu. I've never met anyone better with a knife than Ray and Rico is one of his top students. Rico has no ego about styles and loves to train with everyone. He's also a great teacher and his seminars are loads of fun (and sweat).

[ELBOHEMIO]

Hello Mr. McConnell

Mr. Hernan " Rico" Torres he is teaching FCS Kali in the Young Soo Do TKD academy in Rio Piedras, PR. My Jujitsu Instructor and a friend of mine told me the same thing about Rico and Ray. I'm waiting for their next seminar to train with them.

[DragonMind]

Hello Mr. McConnell

Mr. Hernan " Rico" Torres he is teaching FCS Kali in the Young Soo Do TKD academy in Rio Piedras, PR. My Jujitsu Instructor and a friend of mine told me the same thing about Rico and Ray. I'm waiting for their next seminar to train with them.

Thank you for the correct spelling on his last name. I always thought he was saying Cortez...my bad.

Maybe your instructor or you could invite him over to do a seminar instead of waiting? Last one I went to (about 3 weeks ago) he charged $25/head for a half-day (4 hours) and we had maybe a dozen people.

[ELBOHEMIO]

Excuse me, Please Apologize me, his last name is Cortez.

Rico start a new FCS program for Law Enforcement it Calls FCS Tactical.

This is the webpage for the PR FCS Brotherhood.

http://www.geocities.com/prfcskali/