Sais and Bo staff

[TKDkid2ndGup]

Hey i recently got a pair of sai's...I was wondering if anyone knew how to use them or a form that i could use, if u have any info on that iwould be very grateful, also does anyone or i sure there is knews info on the bo staff what the correct way to use it and forms, if the are any sites i would love to try them out...I have a tournament in 2 months to get something together with either one

[DragonMind]

You'd probably have better luck asking Japanese/Okinawan styles about sai since those aren't typically Korean. For Jang Bong - long staff - you could try Turtle Press or Google.

[TKDkid2ndGup]

HEy thanks i will go see what the forum in there will say, thanks for the advice

[Budderfly]

I found some cool sites when I started learning the Sai

http://www.karate.org.yu/articles/Sai%20jutsu.htm

http://www.karate.org.yu/articles/Sai%20jutsu.htm

http://www.wonder-okinawa.jp/023/eng/013/002/

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

The 3rd link you sent is of my teachers son Nakamoto Mamoru Sensei . He is a 3x world champion in Kobudo , & Roku Dan , Renshi . He is not only a phenomenal technician , but a gentlemen , as well .
The Kata he is doing , Chatanyara No Sai , is not fully shown . He probablly purpously did so , that way no one can learn it off the internet .
If anyone is interested in training in traditional Okinawan Kobudo (weapons) , I can provide training , & introductions to my teacher Nakamoto Masahiro Sensei , as well . If you are interested , please contact me off line .

David Somers
www.okinawagojuryu.org

[TonyU]

Where in Florida are you David?
My parents live in the Ft. Lauderdale area and I'm always going down there for a visit.
If you are not too far, I would like very much to meet with you.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

Hey Tony , was just checking out your profile , & noticed you do Kobayashi Ryu . Nakamoto Sensei is a Ku Dan , & direct student of Choshin Chibana , as well as Taira Shinken Sensei .
I live in Tampa , FL . If it's not too far for you to drive , I'd love to have you stop by . Take care , & keep in touch .

[sidekick]

Anthony (TKDkid2ndgup), for a form using the Sai, I would suggest just doing a form you already know and do. The Sai is an extension of the hand, so any strikes and blocks done within the hyung/kata can be done with the Sai. With a little practice (hand and eye coord), you could put a couple of twists or spins moves with the Sai, just to get it a little fancy.


Respectfully
Mike Dunn

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

You can also hope that a person that has some actual training in Kobudo , is judging you .
Sai are a weapon , & should be treated w/ respect . You wouldnt go spinning , & twirling around a loaded hand gun w/ the safety off would you ? Well , you shouldnt do it w/ Sai , or any other weapon .
Anthony , I would seek out a reputable Kobudo instructor in your area . If you cannot find one , you might have to travel . If you can't afford to travel ,now , I would suggest investing in some videos by Mikio Nishiuchi , Motokatsu Inoue , etc .

[sidekick]

You've never repositioned the Sai in your hand to strike with the butt end or to use it's length to guard your forearm on a block? I'm not talking about a juggling act with the weapon, just repositioning moves. I should have made that a little clearer, you are correct.

P.S. I have watched the live rounds fast gun draw competition, which they do some fancy moves back into the holster.


Respectfully
Mike Dunn

[Eliz]

I'm a weapons instructor and there really aren't a lot of "official" weapons forms. For Tournaments, I tell my students to put together parts of "empty hands" forms and adjust them to the weapon. A little harder with the bo but very easily done with the Sai. Foot work is very important. Anyone can stand and twirl a Bo around and show off. The winner is the person who USES the weapon.
Hope that helps.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

What do you mean there arent alot of official weapon forms ? There are dozens of them . What weapons system are you a teacher of , also ?

David

[TonyU]

I'm a weapons instructor and there really aren't a lot of "official" weapons forms.

I wholeheartily disagree with that statement.
I train in a kobudo system that traces it's lineage to Yamani Ryu in Okinawa and another Okinawan influence I'm currently doing research on.
Can't get more "official" than that.
We run ( but I might not know them all)
About half a dozen bo katas
3 nunchaku katas
3 sai katas
2 kama katas
2 tuifa katas
1 eku kata ( but there is a second one I know about, but never learned)
Oh, and I use to know one tekko kata.
And those didn't include Tinbe and Surujin that other systems practice.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

Hey Tony , was wondering what Kata you do ? I am familiar w/ the Yamani Ryu Bo kata , but havent seen many of the other Kata in their system . I've seen Oshiro Sensei do I think it was Kyan No Sai , & Kishaba No Sai , if I remember correctlly , but havent seen much more .

Thanks,

[TonyU]

Hey Tony , was wondering what Kata you do ? I am familiar w/ the Yamani Ryu Bo kata , but havent seen many of the other Kata in their system . I've seen Oshiro Sensei do I think it was Kyan No Sai , & Kishaba No Sai , if I remember correctlly , but havent seen much more .

Thanks,

That's what I trying to discern.
For example my sensei's teacher (Nakazato sensei) trained weapons under Masami Chinen of Yamani Ryu. So I assumed that we were doing some version of Yamani Ryu. When I asked my sensei about it he also infomed me that Nakazato sensie also trained under another weapons teacher. He told me his name but I forgot to write it down, hence I've forgotten it.
So I don't know which are of Yamani origin which are of the other weapons sensei, or of Nakazatos' making (which I don't have a probem with btw)
For example in Bo we do Suishi-no kun, Kubo-no-kun, Sakugawa-no-kun, and dai-ni, but the sai katas are numbered 1, 2, & 3 with no names or at least nonethat I'm aware of. One nunchaku kata has a name but another doesn't. See my dilemma.
But that gives me something to look into this weekend at our annual winter camp.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

Are you w/ Hargrove Sensei's group?

[TonyU]

He, he, yeah that's the group.
Except he's no longer around.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

I met him a few years ago at a tournament , while he was visiting Florida . He didnt pass away , did he ?

[TonyU]

No.
Let's just say he's no longer allowed to be around or involved with the association.

[OkinawaGojuRyu]

I've heard something of that nature . Maybe you can tell us , who is the official Rep of Nakazato Sensei's Shorinkan in the US . I heard there are some people who claim to be , but it is not correct .