Jin Pal Forms

[American HKD]

Greetings

I read Jin Pal HKD has forms,

1. Who created them & why does JP HKD think they're beneficial, since it's not a traditional a part of HKD?

1b. Are they mainly for kids and do they take too much time away from technique pratice, meaning JP has less techniques as part of the curriculum than Traditional HKD?

2. What are the froms like, TKD (Hard), Kuk Sool (soft), etc?

3. How many are there and what levels are they taught?

[Eliz]

???? We don't do forms. My instructor is GM Rim, Jong Bae. We practice techniques.
Funny, a form is a collection of techniques.
I don't really follow other Hapkido schools so I don't really know much about the practices in other dojangs. Sorry.

[Kumbajah]

Guess being the most vocal and perhaps only JPH resident here - here goes.

"1. Who created them & why does JP HKD think they're beneficial, since it's not a traditional a part of HKD? "

GM Kim created the forms. Why they were created is a question for GM Kim. (I'll ask him). He was Chung or Jung do kwan before starting Hapkido so that is probably an influence.

I find them beneficial as a student the way that most people find forms beneficial. Good to work on leg strength, Balance, changing direction, flow, reinforce basics, easy to practice alone etc.

As teacher it is a easy way to correct form (don't lean forward when you punch, make sure you are using your hips) and a reference point (ie this block combination is just like in red belt form.)

"1b. Are they mainly for kids and do they take too much time away from technique pratice, meaning JP has less techniques as part of the curriculum than Traditional HKD?"

No, they are for everyone. They aren't practiced that much in class. Students are taught the new form a few days after their last test. Usually the test is on a thursday belt ceremony the following thursday and the first few sections of the form are taught. They usually pick up the rest after following classes. They are expected to know the form for the next test. They are expected to work on them after class. The only time they are done as a class is occasionally at the end of class. White belts drop out after white is done yellow after yellow is done etc up to the highest belt in attendance. If there are a lot of black belts in the class occasionally we will break in to groups to explain the nuances. Normally it doesn't much of class time.

Less techniques - not that I have seen. We have had students come from other Organizations and seem to struggle at first. I think the progress is perhaps slower. Less techniques as a lower belt. The bulk of material is taught at the higher ranks. As lower ranks correct form is stressed over number of techniques. And from the hapkido videos I've seen I have yet to see a technique that I wasn't familiar with. I'm only a second dan and GM Kim shows me something new every week.

"2. What are the froms like, TKD (Hard), Kuk Sool (soft), etc?"

Generally They progress from Hard to soft and then mix. Blue and brown being the softest in my opinion. Almost looks like a kung fu form. I not familiar with the Kuk Sool but I suspect those ones are similar. One can be seen at http://www.jinpalhapkidodc.com/image...st_pattern.mov

"3. How many are there and what levels are they taught?"

There is one for every belt up to 3rd Dan and one for Dan Bong.
The one for 3rd Dan is basically a Tan Jun Breathing form.

[American HKD]

Greetings,

I agree with Brian, forms can help with balance, form, moving, etc.

Never being one who practiced forms I don't know how many forms or what ranks they should be taught at to teach the above skills.

I will assume that only several forms like, beginner, intermediate, and advanced forms are the only ones needed to get the above results.
I also think it might be good to have these forms for kids classes.

A Dan Bong and Long Pole, Sword form sound like a good idea as well.

[Kumbajah]

I knew that spam comment on the other thread was going to bite me in the a**.

But... In the next month or so GM Kim will be releasing a set of DVDs. Each will Have the form for the belt and some self defense techniques. Right now DVDs through red belt (1st gup) are slated. More to follow later. Not sure what the pricing structure will be yet.

[Kumbajah]

I spoke to GM Kim and asked him why we have forms while others do not. He response was people like them and the other reasons I mentioned, balance, proper form etc. They were originally initiated for children, because it GM Kim's opinion that you can not teach children all the locks and throws due the dangerous nature. So it seems the were made to fill out the children's curriculum and it and later adapted in the adult program.

[American HKD]

I spoke to GM Kim and asked him why we have forms while others do not. He response was people like them and the other reasons I mentioned, balance, proper form etc. They were originally initiated for children, because it GM Kim's opinion that you can not teach children all the locks and throws due the dangerous nature. So it seems the were made to fill out the children's curriculum and it and later adapted in the adult program.

Thank You,

That's what I figured, there's no question forms are good for kids, adult beginners and good for business.

In my gym I want to teach some young teens but thier not ready for the real system so forms would help, but I have to find out what I can use or make my own HKD forms which is alot of trouble.

I knew Kuk Sool forms many years ago but totally forgot them now, they were good soft style forms.

Myung has forms but I don't like them, and I never saw Jin Pal forms.

[ushankido]

I learned some of those Kuk Sool hyung's under my first HKD master. Although, I think he modified them. I think they are quite graceful to look at.

[American HKD]

Greetings,

I saw the video of the form very well done!, I think it was closer to a hard Karate style with some hapkido kicks.

If you ever get to see a Kuk Sool form they're very smooth and flowing more similar to Kung Fu, no sharp or hard type movements very circular.

My personal taste leans towards soft style forms and Hapkido should be smooth, firm and flowing, but never hard.

[Kumbajah]

The video is of Eagle 2 - the 2nd dan form. It is harder than the midforms (ie blue and brown.) Is there some place on the web the KuK Sool forms are shown?